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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2008, 01:07:03 am »

hey wazzup im new in here well my is this one im studing engineering here in mexico i love cars I have a 78 cougar ass you can see in my photo its a big car but its my first car and I love it i crashed it a year ago so it has no front end im looking for one if someone knows about a junkyard cougar near laredo i will appreciate any info but well the important thing would be that I want some advice cause I want to make some changes in my cat this car came with 400 modified and 351W i have the last one my idea is a nice street rod (street boat XD)  something thats nice and also runs nice a cruiser i want tu upgrade my c6 to an AOD first I had a c4 fixed 1 time and destroyed again and put the c6 but i feel like the car is to slow or slower than it was with the c4 whatever i will like to upgrade to the AOD but for the engine which will be the best option the 400 the 351W and what can I change on any of them to improve performance stroker , aluminum heads dont no some advice please its a 78 windsor engine with a lame 164hp stock

note I wont trade my cougar for any fox body or other ford I love my car and less and  never will change it for a chevy every person y ask for advice say that i love my boat

thanks for your attention  saludos de monterrey
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2009, 07:16:49 am »

hello, a new modified clevland head is real big with the drag race guys bluethunder is making them and i think chi also, they have raised the ports  and making all kind of power !  i have always liked the clevlands!!
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 07:12:31 pm »

351 Windsor  69 - 97
351 Cleavland 71 - 74

  I wander wich one ford thinks is a better engine .
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2009, 11:52:11 pm »

got me a 74 351 going to have me some fun, too bad it's going to cost me an arm and a leg to get it the way I want it!
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2009, 09:28:39 pm »

hey guys whats up Ive got a question about a planned build I will soon be starting. Ive got all sorts of used parts off of my 1974 351w block, but I am not doing a rebuild I am doing a high performance build. the only parts I plan on reusing are the front timing covers and possibly the oil pan, is there any other parts that would be recommended for re-use(most of the parts I have are in decent shape)

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2014, 10:40:57 pm »

People still run Clevlands?? 
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2014, 10:57:02 pm »

351 Windsor  69 - 97
351 Cleavland 71 - 74

  I wander wich one ford thinks is a better engine .

An old thread, why not bring it back.

Ford was wrong a lot, thus they killed the Cleveland in 1974 in the US. The rest of the world revered it, thus every NASCAR head you see today is basically a copy of the canted valve Cleveland. Bob Glidden did well with it in Pro Stock for many years in the 70's, until the 500CI engines came along.
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2014, 11:31:27 am »

I have a few sets of NASCAR heads (C3, C302, 6049, and Yates).
I also have a few Iron Cleveland closed and open heads.  My C3 heads look just like the irons but made of aluminum.
Some are canted and some appear not to be canted.

It is truly a confusing issue with me.
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2014, 12:22:13 pm »

I wonder what else changed during with the various versions of the Ford NASCAR heads?
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2014, 12:48:51 pm »

I'm sure that they just kept improving on the original design. I think the ports started too low for reasons like going under the hood of a Mustang etc, the dual plane intake etc. So the heads gained height of the ports, which means different intakes, and that is the biggest issue with building any engine with any Cleveland head. You have to locate a good intake to work with the heads. Given the many many head port versions and heights, you usually will only have one or two choices, and those are all going to be tough to find(versus any Windsor intake).

The Windsor engine family is embraced for it's ease of parts swapping, but it started as a plain choice through the 70's and 80's until the HO Mustang. Then the EFI performance brought in the aftermarket support, the first for any Fords really. Now after 15+ years of tons of aftermarket parts, almost nothing is out there for Clevelands compared to what everyone knows of for the Windsor family.

It's up to the diehard Ford people to keep them all alive.
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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2014, 09:06:14 pm »

I don't think the Windsor was always the plain choice. What about 65 an 66 289 Hi-Po K-code Mustangs?
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2014, 09:52:27 pm »

That was the start of the Windsor line, the early 289/302's. Then Ford came out with the Cleveland design in 69 with the Boss 302, then the 4bbl 351W of 1969 was the last of any useful Windsor development, until 1985. I'm not picking a fight, I'm just pointing out how Ford gave up on performance development in the early 70s's, and only the Windsor survived beyond that.
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Don

1991 Mark VII LSC Special Edition, soon to be OBDII and 4R70W, then GTC body kit and 347.
1998 Mountaineer, plans for A4WD and KB 2200 blower later, XP8 parts, paint and a 332.
1973 Ranchero and 72 Sport front end ...will be a 351 Clevor, EFI and 4R70W.
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