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« on: January 02, 2017, 06:40:14 pm »

Hey guys, new to the forum but been lurking for a while so I decided id join and ask a few questions.

So ill start with what I had and what it was in.
F4TE block .030 bore
stock truck rods with ARP hardware
Stock crank lower end was balanced
Speed pro forged pistons 13cc dish
AFR 185 heads 1420PN 72CC
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750 holley vacuum secondary
E303 cam
stock length push rods
1.72 RR's
1 5/8 shorty headers

Engine was in a 1977 F250
33" tires
4.88 gears
4R70W trans 1800 stall
4x4
Truck is a prerunner and sees mostly sand with some street weekend driving.

Last fall the engine broke a valve which lead to some destruction.

So now onto some questions and advise.

Right now I have
F4TE roller block .030
Using the stock crank and rods from the original engine.
Pistons looking to go flat tops, any brand suggestions are appreciated trying to stay around $4-600
Heads I was looking to go through ford strokers with AFR 205 or 220 with the 8019 HYD spring upgrade and TI retainers trying to stay around $2-2200
Cam will be a custom ground, probably go through ford strokers as well
intake is up in the air right now so opinions are appreciated.
The 1.72 RR's will need replaced so I can go 1.6 or 1.7 on those. Was wanting to run rocker stud girdles as well.

What are your guys insight on this setup I'm also thinking of upping the stall to 28-3000.

Id like to  be 10.5-11 CR once I decide on pistons I'm going to measure them in the block and deck the block accordingly to get around .040-.050 quench.

The original motor saw about 6500-7000 running offroad is hard to keep the tires planted all the time.
Would this setup be capable of 7000 safely?

Sorry for the lengthy post but I tried to include all my info of what I have, thanks for any input guys!!
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2017, 06:53:41 pm »

No way would I use stock rods for 7000 rpm's. The AFR 220 would be way too big.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2017, 07:21:22 pm »

What would be a acceptable rpm out of the stock bottom end? Stick with 205's then?
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2017, 07:35:40 pm »

Depends on how much power you are making, cylinder pressure and rpm kill parts. I would never use stock rods in a build with those type of parts and power potential.
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2017, 10:56:44 pm »

I get that, I'd like to go with a stroker kit but that's not in the budget unfortunately. I'm thinking if I do the flatops 205's and cam then next winter I'd be able to do the lower end. I'd just hate to buy heads etc and then have to buy again when I stroke it.
I know it's not the ideal bottom end but keeping everything conservative wise could it be done?
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2017, 11:13:55 pm »

You can get a set of RPM I or H beam rods for just under $400.

Proper machine work, good fastners, and wide bearing clearances.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 05:15:41 am »

Would rpm rods and stock crank be my best bet for a decent priced bottom end? Would I be able to match the old piston and rod weight to the new piston rod setup to keep balance or should I have it sent out and checked?

Sorry for the newb questions, I've done a few motors but never one quite this built. The old motor was set up with wide clerances and that was about all I knew about making it live at higher rpm's.

Edit ok so I looked at RPM rods http://www.coasthigh.com/SCAT-4340-I-beam-Rods-5-955-Length-p/sca-25955912.htm these should work for me so I may just order a set.

Only question is on the balance now if you guys could give your insight id appreciate it.

Thanks!
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 06:25:29 am »

Would rpm rods and stock crank be my best bet for a decent priced bottom end? Would I be able to match the old piston and rod weight to the new piston rod setup to keep balance or should I have it sent out and checked?

Sorry for the newb questions, I've done a few motors but never one quite this built. The old motor was set up with wide clerances and that was about all I knew about making it live at higher rpm's.

Edit ok so I looked at http://www.racingpartsmaximum.com/sae4340ibeam-2.html these should work for me so I may just order a set.

Only question is on the balance now if you guys could give your insight id appreciate it.

Thanks!
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2017, 06:41:25 am »

Yes, those are the RPM rods that I was referring too.

Wiseco sells a budget flat top for ~$400 a set. They are 4032 and use a 1/16" ring package.

Have it all balanced together.
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Doing more with less, or something like that.
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,20009.0.html

Quote from: Monte Smith
Bottom line, if it was the hot ticket, the fast guys would do it.............they don't

You might need some Titanium rods and a flow bench!  LMAO on floor

I honestly don't get it.

I'm sweating, my heart is racing, my clutch foot is twichin', and my right arm punched the computer screen doing an involentary 2-3 shift while reading all that. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2017, 06:56:55 am »

Yes, those are the RPM rods that I was referring too.

Wiseco sells a budget flat top for ~$400 a set. They are 4032 and use a 1/16" ring package.

Have it all balanced together.

Those are the weisco I was looking at https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wis-pts501a3/overview/make/ford

Then these rods http://www.racingpartsmaximum.com/sae4340ibeam-2.html

Ill find somewhere local to balance, any recommendations for shops in MI?
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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 02:28:25 pm »

Hess Performance
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2017, 04:22:25 pm »

Hess Performance
Doug - 517-849-7495
Jonesville

Ill give em a call. Thanks!

And I ordered pistons and rods today thanks for the recommendations guys.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2017, 07:55:29 pm »

Jonesvilles a long way from Brighton... I would think you are more likely to find a blacksmith in Jonesville than a machine shop....just sayin  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2017, 10:00:45 pm »

Jonesvilles a long way from Brighton... I would think you are more likely to find a blacksmith in Jonesville than a machine shop....just sayin  Grin

Lol I gave them a call and his balance machine is down.

I'm going to take it to Holbrook they are about 15 minutes from my work.

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2017, 06:05:39 am »

Hey guys thought I would give this an update.

So currently I have my rotating assemble got a chance to start checking clearance yesterday.

Ended up with RPM Ibeams wiesco forged flat tops stock crank.

Cam i got a custom ground through Nicole at ford strokers, I must say I was extremely impressed with the customer service I also got a set of AFR 205's through them as well.

Hopefully everything comes together here soon.
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