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« on: August 02, 2016, 06:41:57 pm »

Car:
85 coupe with 87 and up front nose.
Fiberglass cowl hood other than that it is all steel.
Full interior(street trim)

Motor:
Dart block 363 used
Scat 4340 crank, 4340 H-beam rods, Ross dish pistons neutral balance
AFR 205 heads
Comp 1.6 roller rockers
Victor intake ported
C&S blow thru carb
Hardened pushrods
Fel Pro gaskets
On3 Turbo System, 76/64 ceramic ball bearing turbo set at 15 lbs of boost
3923 Autolite plugs
Taylor wires
MSD Distributer locked at 34 degrees
MSD digital 6
BTM pulling 1 degree per lb after 5 lbs.
Only driving a 3G alt and water pump with under drive pulley's
Comp R lifters
Fordstrockers.com customer Hyd. Roller cam for my set up
Double roller chain
ATI balancer with spacer
A1000 fuel pump
boost reference regulator
10 gallon fuel cell
10 an line up
8 an line return
164 tooth flywheel
4200 stall against the brake converter
Old PA trans that was rebuilt by myself (full roller with a brake)
Ford Aluminum drive shaft
3 inch exhaust with bullet muffler to the rear axle
Drive shaft loop
Battle boxes
8.8 with Moser 31 spline axles with a explorer stock 31 spline carrier
Moser rear end girdle
Moser c-clip eliminators
3.27 gears
Granatelli old style weight jackers one way adjust with a solid aluminum bushing in the rear(I modified it from rubber)
Granatelli double adjustable uppers with a solid upper rear end bushings
 15 X 3 pro stars and 15 X 8 in the rear with 275/60/15 MT Pro Drag radials

I am 6' 2" and weight 270

Here is the best break down:
60' 1.57
330 -
1/8 - 6.81
1/8 MPH -108
1000 -
1/4 - 10.41
1/4 MPH - 138

That is leaving off the trans brake with the 2 step set at 3000 RPM.

AFR is showing 10 to 10.5 thru the run. I am going to lean it out per C&S by going down 3 jets sizes squared. and do some street pulls. They also said I might try bumping the timing a couple degrees.

This thing should be in the 9's just got it figure out what the issues are, and no I don't have any data gathering tools other than my go pro recording the gages.
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2016, 07:39:31 pm »

Are you actually seeing 15psi?
Anyway you can log IAT?
You should be much faster. Excited to watch your progress with it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2016, 08:15:07 pm »

Seems like a lot of timing for boost.  Wonder, Ponder
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2016, 08:55:59 pm »

Seems like a lot of timing for boost.  Wonder, Ponder

Should be 24* at full boost.  Is that still a lot?
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2016, 09:18:40 pm »

No. I missed he was pulling timing with BTM.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2016, 10:15:35 pm »

Are you actually seeing 15psi?
Anyway you can log IAT?
You should be much faster. Excited to watch your progress with it.

That's what the gage says, sources is from the manifold.

No capability to log anything.

That's what I was thinking. It should be faster.

Remember is a China turbo max HP is like 650. I would have to move up to a 78/75 to get to 750 ish
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2016, 10:18:50 pm »

The mph is there for mid 9s, so the power is there. You just need to put it down.
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Doing more with less, or something like that.
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,20009.0.html

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You might need some Titanium rods and a flow bench!  LMAO on floor

I honestly don't get it.

I'm sweating, my heart is racing, my clutch foot is twichin', and my right arm punched the computer screen doing an involentary 2-3 shift while reading all that. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2016, 10:23:54 pm »

Also it has a dirt dog stall converter which may be a big part of my problem.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2016, 05:10:00 pm »

I would add a couple degrees timing (if the fuel is good) and switch to one step colder race plug.
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Trick Flow High Ports and Super Vic EFI intake by Duane Busch

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2016, 05:55:24 pm »

Like what plug a NGK 5238 (R5671A-9)?
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2016, 10:44:28 pm »

Small shot of nitrous off the line will fix it !
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2016, 08:28:35 am »

Is this an e85 setup? What is the elevation? Your way to rich. shoot for 11.2 to 11.8. this will be a btter starting point. Your 60' needs improvement. Try raising or lowering your launch rpm. If that don't work pull some timing on the launch to kill some power and pour it on later.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2016, 08:57:09 am »

Is this an e85 setup? What is the elevation? Your way to rich. shoot for 11.2 to 11.8. this will be a btter starting point. Your 60' needs improvement. Try raising or lowering your launch rpm. If that don't work pull some timing on the launch to kill some power and pour it on later.

No its 93 octane pump gas.

Elevation is 75 ft (within 2 hours of the ocean in deep south Texas)

Yes, I know I am rich. C&S told me to go 3 get lower all the way around and make some test passes to see where it's at.

I changed my suspension in the rear for more anti squat, so I will see what it will do. I can adjust the 2 step.

Everything is manual on the car. I have to way to change boost or timing on the fly.

Basically it's a nice car with some nice pieces on a budget. Did a lot of trading to get this far.

So this is the plan before I head back to the track.
1. Adjust the anti squat - done
2. Reduce all 4 jets by 3 jet sizes - this weekend


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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2016, 11:46:21 am »

Here is my cam card. It is set up on the Intake C/L.

SERIAL # A 0236-12   SPEC CARD #  22814812   SPEC CARD INQUIRY BY SERIAL #    
 PART #   35-000-9      CAMSHAFT, FW FORD 351W/302HO ROLLER                    
 CORE     C35-9J        CAMSHAFT BLANK, FW FORD 351W SEMI, 5160   Special Grind
 GRIND #  FW "KRESSIG"                                                        
                                                          DURATION @ .050 INTAKE      224   ROCKER ARM RATIO
 VALVE ADJ INTAKE      .000               DURATION @ .050 EXHAUST     224     INTAKE   1.60
 VALVE ADJ EXHAUST     .000            LOBE LIFT INTAKE            .3590   EXHAUST  1.60
 VALVE LIFT INTAKE     .574               LOBE LIFT EXHAUST           .3590                
 VALVE LIFT EXHAUST    .574             LOBE SEPARATION           115.0                  
 DURATION              .006                     INTAKE C/L                111.0                  
 TAPPET LIFT INTAKE     274             CAM ADVANCE                 4                    
 TAPPET LIFT EXHAUST    274           HYDRAULIC                Y                        
 VALVE TIMING          .050                  OVERHEAD CAM             N                        
 VALVE OPEN INTAKE        1              JOURNAL DIAMETER         STD      2.036          
 VALVE OPEN EXHAUST      51          RECOMMEND VALVE SPRINGS                          
 VALVE CLOSED INTAKE     43           DEPARTMENT               R                        
 VALVE CLOSED EXHAUST     7-    

valve springs are 987-16

Can some one run it through their programs with the combo above to see what it say for RPM shift point and HP?
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2016, 06:14:08 pm »

Which track do you go to?  I'm also in Texas SE of San Antonio.


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I'm Rob.  Working on my '93 Reef Blue coupe.  Stock internal 302, 80 MAF, 75 TB, Victor 5.0, High Ports, 30# inj., B303, 1.6s, Tremec TKO 3550, Quicktime bell, Fidanza Al flywheel, stage 3 ceramic clutch, & 4.10s.  12.68 @ 111.69
'66 F100 shortbed, 352ci, 3 on the tree - on hold
'65 Coupe rolling chassis - on hold
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Hardened Push Rods - Trick Flow 6.2" .080 - $60
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