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« on: December 12, 2015, 07:01:23 am »

I've heard the plenum is the worst part of these, and they have distribution problems.
What is the remedy? I've found a picture of the one Jay had done on here in an old thread.
I've got a super vic EFI, but think it's a bit much for what my little turd is. The vic jr is probably more suitable, the PFW is too tall for my hood. When it gets here I'll get some pics of it before I start phucking it up.
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2015, 08:03:04 am »

Wilson did the work on that manifold I believe.
Before him...   Crawford.
You're gonna have to hone your aluminum welding skills...
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2015, 10:29:33 am »

You're gonna have to hone your aluminum welding skills...
I have none, A bud of mine welds for beer. Is it that bad that even after port matching it still needs that much work? This is going on a very mild 302, ported gt40's stock HO cam, longtubes, 4.30gears.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2015, 10:51:00 am »

I think the level of effort for your mentioned project wouldn't need welding.
The fact you have access to a red neck flowbench...  You could accurately place a pitot to each port and match port using airspeed.
Simple and easy.
You already know the relationship with speed and pressure...
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2015, 12:05:51 pm »

I've heard the plenum is the worst part of these, and they have distribution problems.
What is the remedy? I've found a picture of the one Jay had done on here in an old thread.
I've got a super vic EFI, but think it's a bit much for what my little turd is. The vic jr is probably more suitable, the PFW is too tall for my hood. When it gets here I'll get some pics of it before I start phucking it up.
It can be made better but it will always have issues of some kind. The 8.2 deck motors always have distribution issues unless you use a custom sheetmetal intake manifold. What is your goal with it?. Unless you plan on a 5000-8000 rpm power band you are wasting your time. Now with aftermarket EFI you can trim the fuel and timing per cylinder
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2015, 12:36:33 pm »

Are you using this?: http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/manifolds/ford/victor-50.shtml

If so from what I've heard it's the outside runners that don't get as much air as the inner runners. The setup is similar to the Performer RPM I run.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2015, 12:44:16 pm »

David is talking about carb style Super Victor and Victor Jr.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2015, 02:38:22 pm »

I've heard the plenum is the worst part of these, and they have distribution problems.
What is the remedy? I've found a picture of the one Jay had done on here in an old thread.
I've got a super vic EFI, but think it's a bit much for what my little turd is. The vic jr is probably more suitable, the PFW is too tall for my hood. When it gets here I'll get some pics of it before I start phucking it up.
It can be made better but it will always have issues of some kind. The 8.2 deck motors always have distribution issues unless you use a custom sheetmetal intake manifold. What is your goal with it?. Unless you plan on a 5000-8000 rpm power band you are wasting your time. Now with aftermarket EFI you can trim the fuel and timing per cylinder
Oddly Bill, this intake made surprising power below 5000.

A 302 will have to go 7000 to start making serious power by nature.
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Javier
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2015, 04:07:54 pm »

David is talking about carb style Super Victor and Victor Jr.

Ah. Whole different animal.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2015, 10:11:59 pm »

David is talking about carb style Super Victor and Victor Jr.
but first I need to get the speed density processor/tune to run as fast as it does with mass air for it to be a valid comparison to the regular EFI manifolds.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2015, 05:29:29 pm »

It came in today looks OK, just have to figure out what fuel rails that are used on this thing. Those from a SuperVic EFI won't work without mods.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2015, 06:11:26 pm »

It came in today looks OK, just have to figure out what fuel rails that are used on this thing. Those from a SuperVic EFI won't work without mods.

I just looked at a Victor Jr and to me it looks like the injector boss is at a different angle than the Super Victor. Good luck figuring that out. Maybe stock style fuel rails will fit if injector bungs are welded in at a different angle? 
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2015, 09:13:08 pm »

It came in today looks OK, just have to figure out what fuel rails that are used on this thing. Those from a SuperVic EFI won't work without mods.

Maybe I missed it. What intake did you get? If it's the PP, they sell matching rails.
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2015, 09:18:11 pm »

This is actually the Chinese version of the vic jr that has already been converted. At first blush it looks like a mini super vic efi, but it doesn't have the supports for the aftermarket fuel rails to bolt to. The injector bosses go straight up and down so stock fuel rails are out. Parker funnel web might have been a better option if I had a 4150 throttle body.

Like this one, only used.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pfs-54039
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2015, 09:31:52 pm »

If it's the PP, they sell matching rails.
I was just looking at those
This thing will need some work, I'll get some pics tomorrow before I start on it.
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