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« on: March 18, 2015, 08:31:35 am »

Just wanted to share the results using this tool yesterday on a 2007 F250 Super Duty that ended up with spark plugs #1 and #8 broken.




The end result is that it simply WORKS!  Thumb up

This is a typical problem in these types of engines/spark plug configuration and it does take some time to ensure a heads removal is not required.... Phew



These are the two spark plugs after they were removed:


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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2015, 10:06:33 am »

Also everybody blames Ford for the bad design but it's Bosch and their first plug design. The new plugs don't have the same problem. FYI
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2015, 01:06:57 pm »

I've changed probably thousands of these. That tool is the bees knees, but I've had the threaded puller break off in the spark plug before. I use the pusher out of that kit, then tap threads and pull it out with the rotunda kit. It works best on a Luke-warm engine. Hands down the fastest way of doing it.

I've also broke Plenty of plugs that have been replaced with the "updated " plug...so saying the new ones don't have this problem isn't true. They may not break as easily, but they will still break.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2015, 03:55:47 pm »

I've heard that the safest way to remove plugs to avoid breakage, is with one of those small 3/8" electric impacts.  Much less likely to break the plug, than trying to loosen it out with a ratchet.  I guess the impacts jar it loose without twisting it off.
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2015, 06:54:43 pm »

I didn't break any of mine, but I had the tool on hand just in case.

I just  broke all 8 plugs off seat, and sprayed a ton of Kroil in the holes. Came back an hour later, and they all come out without incident. And that was with 160K on them.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 07:43:24 pm »

Keep in mind the following..... the issue or problem is NOT the threaded portion.... it is the extension. I tell the customers up front of the possibility, ask for the vehicle the day before, remove the coils and simply, soak the plug holes with WD-40 or equivalent for >8 hours. And no..... I do have a 3/8" electric impact ratchet..... it makes the possibility of breaking them worse........ BTSTDT. Once the threaded portion is off, I let them sit overnight soaked with more WD-40. So far?.... so good.
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The right to be stupid is inalienable for sure however, there is no such thing as a right to impose stupidity onto others
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Knowledge based on external evidence is unreliable.
He, who doesn't ask, does not deserve an answer.
A mind is like a parachute it only works when it is open.  (oldmanjoe)
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein)
Tuning on a Dyno for the track, is like swim practice in a bathtub.
I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. (90lxcoupe)
The proof of understanding is the ability to explain it. (H. Torruella)
Ignorance is bliss, but stupidity is orgasmic.
Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it. (Samuel Johnson)
The chaotic resistance of the opponents leads to the conclusion that they are not prepared to meet the challenge. The problem is already much more psychological then technological. [Bojidar Djordjev]
Individuals are rational and humane... Crowds are reactionary and barbaric. (Jason)
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 06:39:38 am »

Here are some tricks different people are using to change the 5.4L plugs...

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=438614&highlight=ford+broken+spark+plug

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2015, 09:48:26 am »

The point is that they can and will break..... the old Murphy's Law principle....... and the special tool shown does work w/out having to spend big $$ removing the cylinder heads.
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Quote from: Joel5.0
The right to be stupid is inalienable for sure however, there is no such thing as a right to impose stupidity onto others
Great Thoughts will Overwhelm a Feeble Mind
There is never money to do it right, but there's always money to do it over.
Knowledge based on external evidence is unreliable.
He, who doesn't ask, does not deserve an answer.
A mind is like a parachute it only works when it is open.  (oldmanjoe)
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein)
Tuning on a Dyno for the track, is like swim practice in a bathtub.
I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. (90lxcoupe)
The proof of understanding is the ability to explain it. (H. Torruella)
Ignorance is bliss, but stupidity is orgasmic.
Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it. (Samuel Johnson)
The chaotic resistance of the opponents leads to the conclusion that they are not prepared to meet the challenge. The problem is already much more psychological then technological. [Bojidar Djordjev]
Individuals are rational and humane... Crowds are reactionary and barbaric. (Jason)
The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. –Chinese Proverb
Nothing sways the stupid more than arguments they can't understand - Cardinal de Retz
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2015, 01:54:40 pm »

I have used an 1/2 impact for removal. It works 100% of the time sometimes lol
The lisle tool works great too. After enough use the threaded tip gets too worn and will need to be replaced. The parts house swaps them out for me.
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