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angry5.0
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gear selection help.
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January 25, 2012, 08:28:18 pm »
Hey guys
I have an 89 mustang. It has a 306 stage 1 cam and alot of motor mods...N/A motor and an AOD trans with 3,000 stall. I do alot of city driving. Would 3.73's be better or maybe 3.55's or 4.10's... And how hard is it to do a gear swap? Im running stock tires..It has stock gears now.I want a gear that will really wake the car up.I don't drag race I do like to get on the car and punch the shit out of it and hammer down sometimes. LOL but seriously what would be suggested?
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 25, 2012, 09:31:39 pm »
My first engine(MAC headers, 2800 RPM stalled converter, 70 mm t.b., K&N filter...)absolutely woke up with a 4.30:1 ring and pinion. I drove on the interstate all of the time and used a 27" tall rear tire.
Not a hard installation if you have some experience working on mechanical things. A few tools can usually be rented at the local parts store, minus the press to remove the pinion bearing.
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January 26, 2012, 09:28:52 am »
While doing gear swaps IIRC there are a few after-measurements that are very important. Gear lash depth is a biggie.
If you don't mind losing some mpg a high stalling T/C woke my Merc up more so than anything that I ever did to the Merc in the past. (The 408W monster that it has now would wake up the dead!)
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1969 Mercury Montego (
FordStrokers 408W
, QFT 850cfm RQ-AN, Super Victor, 2" aluminum open spacer, CamMotion HR .624/.609 251/256 108, mV/B C4, 5000 stall, 9" 4.56, M/T ET radial streets 315/60-15)
The Merc started here =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html
Irwindale Speedway 1/8 mile (1st time at a track!) = 7.647 @ 90.78mph with a crappy 1.878 sixty foot (3800# race weight)
Present day Merc =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html
85_GT
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 10:15:19 am »
Quote from: 69 Merc on January 26, 2012, 09:28:52 am
after-measurements
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January 26, 2012, 10:47:13 am »
Quote from: 85_GT on January 26, 2012, 10:15:19 am
Quote from: 69 Merc on January 26, 2012, 09:28:52 am
after-measurements
?
I guess not the best choice of words -- how about "mesh measurements"? LOL.
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1969 Mercury Montego (
FordStrokers 408W
, QFT 850cfm RQ-AN, Super Victor, 2" aluminum open spacer, CamMotion HR .624/.609 251/256 108, mV/B C4, 5000 stall, 9" 4.56, M/T ET radial streets 315/60-15)
The Merc started here =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html
Irwindale Speedway 1/8 mile (1st time at a track!) = 7.647 @ 90.78mph with a crappy 1.878 sixty foot (3800# race weight)
Present day Merc =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html
95GTspeeddemon
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 01:24:38 pm »
i have 4.30's, 70mph / 25in tire / .64 OD im at 2500rpm.
more gear helps with city mpg from what i hear; less load to get going.
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January 26, 2012, 01:29:30 pm »
With more gear your engine is spinning higher which I've found equates to less mpg.
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1969 Mercury Montego (
FordStrokers 408W
, QFT 850cfm RQ-AN, Super Victor, 2" aluminum open spacer, CamMotion HR .624/.609 251/256 108, mV/B C4, 5000 stall, 9" 4.56, M/T ET radial streets 315/60-15)
The Merc started here =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html
Irwindale Speedway 1/8 mile (1st time at a track!) = 7.647 @ 90.78mph with a crappy 1.878 sixty foot (3800# race weight)
Present day Merc =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 01:33:43 pm »
IOW your launch is easier on your engine true because better gears offer more of a torque advantage but when cruising your engine will be turning faster ...
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1969 Mercury Montego (
FordStrokers 408W
, QFT 850cfm RQ-AN, Super Victor, 2" aluminum open spacer, CamMotion HR .624/.609 251/256 108, mV/B C4, 5000 stall, 9" 4.56, M/T ET radial streets 315/60-15)
The Merc started here =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html
Irwindale Speedway 1/8 mile (1st time at a track!) = 7.647 @ 90.78mph with a crappy 1.878 sixty foot (3800# race weight)
Present day Merc =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html
95GTspeeddemon
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 01:35:21 pm »
Quote from: 69 Merc on January 26, 2012, 01:29:30 pm
With more gear your engine is spinning higher which I've found equates to less mpg.
its about load.
more to get going, but less rpm = best highway
less to get going, but more rpm= better city
55mph is only 2k for me, thats not much at all. 3.27's were like 1500rpm or so.
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 01:36:55 pm »
Quote from: 95GTspeeddemon on January 26, 2012, 01:24:38 pm
more gear helps with city mpg from what i hear; less load to get going.
Thats been my experience with trucks. Never paid much attention with cars, because I wasn't worried about mileage.
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 01:40:14 pm »
Quote from: 95GTspeeddemon on January 26, 2012, 01:35:21 pm
Quote from: 69 Merc on January 26, 2012, 01:29:30 pm
With more gear your engine is spinning higher which I've found equates to less mpg.
its about load.
more to get going, but less rpm = best highway
less to get going, but more rpm= better city
55mph is only 2k for me, thats not much at all. 3.27's were like 1500rpm or so.
^^ +1
That's the same case for us in the heavy cars in the caprice/impala world. Not the light weights like Roberts
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85GT, Dart Windsor Jr, Crane 2030 equiv. Performer 5.0, 75mm TB, 88mm Slot, 34lbs injectors, 1 5/8" shorties, 5spd converted to 4R70W with Baumann controller, 3.25 9"
A9L running A9P bin via Quarterhorse with LC-1
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 01:44:05 pm »
I guess that after switching from 3.00 to 4.56 with a 3 speed you
might
see it my way -- driving in the city and heaven forbid if you flew down the highway as far as which eats gas more ...
Overkill?
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1969 Mercury Montego (
FordStrokers 408W
, QFT 850cfm RQ-AN, Super Victor, 2" aluminum open spacer, CamMotion HR .624/.609 251/256 108, mV/B C4, 5000 stall, 9" 4.56, M/T ET radial streets 315/60-15)
The Merc started here =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html
Irwindale Speedway 1/8 mile (1st time at a track!) = 7.647 @ 90.78mph with a crappy 1.878 sixty foot (3800# race weight)
Present day Merc =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html
85_GT
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 01:57:20 pm »
It's that inefficient 5000 TC doing it to you...
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A9L running A9P bin via Quarterhorse with LC-1
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 02:09:00 pm »
Quote from: 95GTspeeddemon on January 26, 2012, 01:35:21 pm
Quote from: 69 Merc on January 26, 2012, 01:29:30 pm
With more gear your engine is spinning higher which I've found equates to less mpg.
its about load.
more to get going, but less rpm = best highway
less to get going, but more rpm= better city
55mph is only 2k for me, thats not much at all. 3.27's were like 1500rpm or so.
I guess it depends on how far you cruise when you are doing your city driving?
I was just saying that 500rpm more so than before will eat gas faster, right?
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1969 Mercury Montego (
FordStrokers 408W
, QFT 850cfm RQ-AN, Super Victor, 2" aluminum open spacer, CamMotion HR .624/.609 251/256 108, mV/B C4, 5000 stall, 9" 4.56, M/T ET radial streets 315/60-15)
The Merc started here =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html
Irwindale Speedway 1/8 mile (1st time at a track!) = 7.647 @ 90.78mph with a crappy 1.878 sixty foot (3800# race weight)
Present day Merc =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html
69 Merc
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Re: gear selection help.
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January 26, 2012, 02:15:32 pm »
So you are saying that the city red lights launch hurts the mpg that badly compared to a higher cruise rpm mpg killer?
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1969 Mercury Montego (
FordStrokers 408W
, QFT 850cfm RQ-AN, Super Victor, 2" aluminum open spacer, CamMotion HR .624/.609 251/256 108, mV/B C4, 5000 stall, 9" 4.56, M/T ET radial streets 315/60-15)
The Merc started here =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html
Irwindale Speedway 1/8 mile (1st time at a track!) = 7.647 @ 90.78mph with a crappy 1.878 sixty foot (3800# race weight)
Present day Merc =
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html
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