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« on: July 20, 2011, 06:45:21 pm »

I just placed an order from JEGS,  
http://www.jegs.com/i/On+3+Performance/498/5.0F/10002/-1
i bought an on3perfromance turbo kit for my fox.
I have read alot about the kits and have read the good and bad, i went ahead and took a chance and hope everything installs nicely, if it doent i can massage it in over time.

The combo is in my sig, stock short block, stock cam, TFS170s, I have arp Studs and 9333 pt1 head gaskets rite now.

It will be a while before i install the kit, i still have to save for 42lb injectors, blow throgh MAF, and a Fuel pump.

Im planning or I am going to try and run it with out a tune and see how it does,  with timing locked, play with fuel pressure, try it with and without the o2's hooked up, if i cant get it to perform rite i will look into a DIY tuner or look into a place that opened up last year that tunes Mustangs, wich the only place in Arkansas that i know of, i havent heard any thing about the company or if they are even still in business rite now.

I was thinking off the start, trying 5psi and see how it goes, and up it 1psi at a time, mabey 8-10psi max

What kind of MAF meters are you guys using on here?

Also im thinking of just using a Single exhaust off of the down pipe ran back with a muffler and dumped around the rear axle, what size piping should i look at buying for that?
The kit uses a 3" down pipe, should i just stay with 3" single exhaust or go bigger?
  
and eventually change the 4.10s for a set of 3.27 or 3.55s
Any tips are appreciated, that you think will help
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2011, 12:28:10 am »

I don't know sqwat about turbos but I know enough not to test one without upgrading the fuel system to meet the application. You are just asking to blow something up. Think about it. You are talking about delivering about half the fuel the engine needs.

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2011, 02:05:07 am »

I don't know sqwat about turbos but I know enough not to test one without upgrading the fuel system to meet the application. You are just asking to blow something up. Think about it. You are talking about delivering about half the fuel the engine needs.



Mabey you misunderstood or something,  it wont be installed untill i get a maf, fuel pump,and 42lb injectors
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 09:49:36 am »

on3 kit huh?   Good Luck!
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 10:05:13 am »

I was waiting on that! Spt at PC
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2011, 11:23:10 am »

I was waiting on that! Spt at PC

well... you usually get what you pay for in this world.

Gator - please tell me you at least sprung for the Master Power Turbo upgrade?
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2011, 06:58:32 pm »

I was waiting on that! Spt at PC

well... you usually get what you pay for in this world.

Gator - please tell me you at least sprung for the Master Power Turbo upgrade?

Master Power isnt an option anymore, from what i understand.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2011, 11:49:27 pm »

Don't do the 42lb injectors. Go 60lb. they'll give you some needed head room if you accidentally over boost or decide to turn it up "just once".
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2011, 11:51:38 pm »

Don't do the 42lb injectors. Go 60lb. they'll give you some needed head room if you accidentally over boost or decide to turn it up "just once".

Also, like Nathan was hinting at, buy a Masterpower T70 .68 housing and sell the other one on ebay.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 04:19:00 am »

Don't do the 42lb injectors. Go 60lb. they'll give you some needed head room if you accidentally over boost or decide to turn it up "just once".

Also, like Nathan was hinting at, buy a Masterpower T70 .68 housing and sell the other one on ebay.

That is an option on the turbo, i also have a friend with a couple new john deere turbos i might look into.

Im not set on injector size rite now, i have a while to research before i have the money to buy anything.

I am going to try and run on the stock ecm tune. I have read people getting away with the stock tune, 42lb injectors, locking timing, maf and play with fuel pressure  and a few are using a fmu to help.

Im not saying its the correct way or best, but im going to try where i can enjoy it,  if its not driveable or unsafe afr's i will have no choice then too save for a tune or tuner, and it would be a while is my reasoning.

Have you ever seen/heard anyone getting away with 60lb'ers With stock ecm tune?  I have to look into it
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2011, 10:30:34 pm »


Have you ever seen/heard anyone getting away with 60lb'ers With stock ecm tune?  I have to look into it

No I haven't. But I can honestly say from experience that the fmu can go bad fast and your pressure spikes into the 90+psi range, which will cause havoc on your fuel pump and lines.

The only way I know of people using anything bigger than 24's with a stock tune is with a really good calibrated MAF. If you plan on getting a new MAF I suggest going with 60's. I run 80's right know with a junk ass 94 Cobra MAF, but I also have a tweecer R/T to tune it with.

You may want to add a Moates QH into the budget. There are plenty of people on the internet that are whiling to help out and get you started with a tune that will be really damn close.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2011, 09:21:27 am »

QH is cheap as shit too.
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2011, 07:16:05 pm »

have the system on my car and have had no problems with it my issues have been with ford icc-iv system to the point it is now off the car and i am running the fast system in my play car
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2011, 07:11:02 pm »

have the system on my car and have had no problems with it my issues have been with ford icc-iv system to the point it is now off the car and i am running the fast system in my play car

Not sure what you are saying here. That the turbo kit is on your car, or the moates quater horse?

Putting any kind of power adder on a Ford fuel injected car without a tune or tuning device is not the best idea. A turbo will create intense cylinder pressure as it reaches peak impeller speed, usually in the 3000-4000rpm range and will require much less timing then stock tables call for not to mention fuel requirements at lower rpms.
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2011, 07:54:49 pm »

I would try it locked out with 42's and run 7/8#'s. just throw a 255lph in the tank. go 1 step colder plug

after that you will need a block and good internals, a complete fuel system-sump pump,lines,rails, and big injectors/aftermarket tune. its a giant step

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