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« on: March 22, 2011, 07:47:37 pm »

This is my Dads 68 Falcon that is a big work in progress. We bought the car with a stock 78 302, Victor Jr intake, Holley 650dp, 1 5/8's LT headers, 2" dual full exhaust, 3speed standard out of a truck, 8" with 4.11's and a mini spool. On the way home the car wouldn't go over 30mph befroe it would starve and fall on its face. So the first order of business was to fix that, which ended up being a plugged fuel line. Then the carb started flooding so I cleaned out the bowls and put in new needle and seats and a fuel filter. Problem fixed and it ran a whole lot better. We then cut out the exhaust and put 2 1/2" single chamber Flow masters on a 16" piece of pipe blted to the colletor with dumps. Ran better but I broke 2nd gear banging 2nd having alittle fun LOL.

First wave of upgrades Msd coil, distributer locked out, Monster tach and Mallory ignition box we had laying around. Then a we swapped in a C-4 with a transbrake and a 3500 stall. In this form we took it to the track a few weekends it ran a best of 14.57@92 with a 1.85 60ft at 3110lb race weight with 26 x 8 1/2" slicks. Not bad considering the horrible hp that year 302 made and the condition it was in. This was not going to do for the season so some more power was needed.

Second wave and this is how it currently sits dropping the motor in tommorow.
80k mile stock 94 explorer short block pistons in the hole .012
Gt-40 heads ported by me stock valves, heads shaved .035, trick flow spring kit
.041 head gasket
E-303 cam 1.7 pedalstal mount proform rockers
stock out of box Victor Jr
1 5/8 longtubes
Holley mechanical fuel pump 3/8 stainless fuel line to the tank
Spent $800 buying and putting this GT-40 motor together

We also decided to upgrade the suspension and brakes at this point
Cal tracs bars
Cal tracs single mono leaf rear springs
Cal tracs adj rear shocks
Moroso trick springs
Competition engineering 90/10's in the front
Front Disc brake swap with slotted rotors, new master cyl, porportioning valve and new lines
Stock drums on the rear
Ford 8" 4.11
C-4 3500 stall transbrake
26x 8 1/2 M/T slicks

Not shooting for big numbers here, just a good bracket motor while we work on the Boss 302 hoping for low 12's out of this Gt-40 setup. If all goes well I will have it running tommorow and Dad will be racing it this weekend.

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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2011, 08:07:24 pm »

Bam..did you do the valve covers,or did they come that way...they look great...it's getting old trying to keep mine polished.
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2011, 08:25:23 pm »

I painted them to give it alittle color and match the MSD wires we are going to put on it. With the Iron heads there is alot of black so we thought it needed  some color.

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2011, 09:17:46 pm »

Well your dad is in good hands with you working with him.  If you had your hands on it I'm sure it'll run what you expect and your dad will have loads of fun with it.

I like the touch of color you added.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2011, 12:39:41 pm »

Sounds like a fun simple little setup...

Makes me miss those days....

 Good Luck! and keep us posted on how it does!
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 04:59:17 pm »

Fired it up 30 mins ago and it sounds pretty good need to fix a leaky radiator hose, top off the fluids, adjust the brake pedal rod, mess with the carb, set the timing a little higher, and I will do some laps on Ponyexpress raceway to make sure everything is good to go before we roll to the track this weekend.

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 11:16:21 pm »

Best pass was 13.08@104.7 with a 1.94 60ft at 3140lbs shifting at 6000rpm the next pass it broke the axle in the burn out box LOL damn 8". We need to shift it around 6400 and it should pick up some. The converter is way to tight and bogs the motor off the hit then it runs pretty good down track. We have some tweaking to do that should get it into the 12's but mid 12's are going to require a 4500-5000 stall, not in the budget anytime soon, right now the converter flashes around 1800rpm Cry. I will keep you guys up with the progress.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 01:45:06 am »

My brother and I built a somewhat similar (FR cam/stock heads/low 12s) combo back in the 90s. Here are the basics of it, if it helps.

HO short block (freshened), E7 heads (stock valve, Dremel ported, angle milled to around 40ish cc), B cam, 1.7 Cobra rockers, Performer RPM, 650 DP, and 1 5/8 full lengths.

With 4.10s and a 10" converter (foot brake @2800 rpm IRC) in a C4, it ran 12.20s in a 89 hatch.

but mid 12's are going to require a 4500-5000 stall, not in the budget anytime soon, right now the converter flashes around 1800rpm

What about having the current converter loosened up? You said the converter was a 3500 stall behind its old combo, is it a 10"? If so, I don't see any reason that a matched 10" couldn't go around 3500-3800 behind that combo. Hell, even a 11" can be made to go around 2500. Just a thought.
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I honestly don't get it.

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 11:13:59 am »

Did someone say "4500 to 5000rpm T/C"?            Spt at PC



Just kidding, man.  Best of luck to you making those 12's.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 07:57:38 pm »

My brother and I built a somewhat similar (FR cam/stock heads/low 12s) combo back in the 90s. Here are the basics of it, if it helps.

HO short block (freshened), E7 heads (stock valve, Dremel ported, angle milled to around 40ish cc), B cam, 1.7 Cobra rockers, Performer RPM, 650 DP, and 1 5/8 full lengths.

With 4.10s and a 10" converter (foot brake @2800 rpm IRC) in a C4, it ran 12.20s in a 89 hatch.

but mid 12's are going to require a 4500-5000 stall, not in the budget anytime soon, right now the converter flashes around 1800rpm

What about having the current converter loosened up? You said the converter was a 3500 stall behind its old combo, is it a 10"? If so, I don't see any reason that a matched 10" couldn't go around 3500-3800 behind that combo. Hell, even a 11" can be made to go around 2500. Just a thought.

I thought the converter was a 3500stall it was a hand me down 11" but to be honest we can barley footbrake it to 1500 on the transbrake with no chip it only goes 2800rpm, so it don't feel much better than a stock one. I need to get that firgured out plus get an electric fan and water pump on it. It currently has the 68 flex fan on it sounds like a damn propeller. But with some tweaking we will get were we want it to be. Just got to mess with it. Also the timing is way off I indexed the tab but then figured out that it was a passenger side exit water pump and the stock tab won't work and my piston stop won't fit in the gt-40 head so I need to make on that will fit some I can get a timing mark.
After looking at the plugs on Saturday it has way to much timing in it.

Do you remember how much your hatch weighed?

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2011, 08:34:33 pm »

We never weighted it, but it wasn't stripped by any means. Full interior with 8 point bar, poly front seats, and no ac or ps. It did have a electric fan and water pump drive.
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Quote from: Monte Smith
Bottom line, if it was the hot ticket, the fast guys would do it.............they don't

You might need some Titanium rods and a flow bench!  LMAO on floor

I honestly don't get it.

I'm sweating, my heart is racing, my clutch foot is twichin', and my right arm punched the computer screen doing an involentary 2-3 shift while reading all that. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2011, 08:46:14 pm »

I would guess the hatchs weigh about 3000 setup like that with a 200lb driver since the notch weighs about 2800 with a 200lb driver. It would be nice if we can get it down to some 12.20's like you guys did.

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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 09:55:55 pm »

We ran 13.001@103 this weekend dropped the timing some more and the air was not that good if the conditions were the same it would have run a 12.90 somthing got the 60ft to 1.85 but it is still needs a converter it just kills the motor to get it moving. But like juiced said it should be faster still messing around with it but it gets better everytime out, I just wish we were running at TNT and not races I get to make one change and then thats it.

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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2011, 10:11:50 pm »

We ran 13.001@103 this weekend dropped the timing some more and the air was not that good if the conditions were the same it would have run a 12.90 somthing got the 60ft to 1.85 but it is still needs a converter it just kills the motor to get it moving. But like juiced said it should be faster still messing around with it but it gets better everytime out, I just wish we were running at TNT and not races I get to make one change and then thats it.

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How often does your track run TNT?
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The Merc started here = http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html  Now = http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html

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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2011, 10:34:23 pm »

That 103 mph should be good for a 12.7-12.8, and that 105 should be good for a 12.5 or so. IRC, that hatch normally ran 108-109, with a best of 12.17 (solid 12.20s) with mid to high 1.6 60's.

A side note. Milling the heads made a huge difference on that car. Something like 4 tenths in the 1/8.
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http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,20009.0.html

Quote from: Monte Smith
Bottom line, if it was the hot ticket, the fast guys would do it.............they don't

You might need some Titanium rods and a flow bench!  LMAO on floor

I honestly don't get it.

I'm sweating, my heart is racing, my clutch foot is twichin', and my right arm punched the computer screen doing an involentary 2-3 shift while reading all that. 
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