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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2013, 07:26:55 am »

89 woulda been world class 4cyl or v8.

I personally dont consider any T5 "world class" unless it is aftermarket 2.95 (call me old school) regardless of the running changes during the t5's life cycle IMHO...........and i should amend that 50/70w gear can/should be used in the 4cyl. model...........
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2013, 07:18:33 pm »

89 woulda been world class 4cyl or v8.

I personally dont consider any T5 "world class" unless it is aftermarket 2.95 (call me old school) regardless of the running changes during the t5's life cycle IMHO...........and i should amend that 50/70w gear can/should be used in the 4cyl. model...........

Well I'm not sure what you mean maybe I'm confused. And just because you don't consider it a "world class" doesn't make it any less than a world class transmission. As I understand it any transmission after a certain year is a world class because of the needle bearings under the gears and the tapered bearings on the counter shaft along with a few other changes. Either way, The WC use atf fluid and NWC use gear oil. It has to do with the blocker ring material being used in both.
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2013, 08:07:23 pm »

Well I'm not sure what you mean maybe I'm confused. And just because you don't consider it a "world class" doesn't make it any less than a world class transmission. 

Well, back in the day (late '80's early '90's) NOBODY called a "stock" t5  "world class".........people only called the motorsport trannies world class...........a "factory" t5 was called "a factory junk t5" and the late'83/'84 t5's were called "bigger pieces of junk t5's".............low and behold in the 2000's everything is now "WC"..............sssoooo thats how i perceive it...................to each his own i suppose.................i do agree with your analysis of the running changes.........and lets just make it easy, v8 t5 uses atf, 4 banger t5 uses gear oil/motor mud.............i have a 4cyl t5 i plan to destroy behind a v8 car, maybe it will last for street testing..........
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2013, 02:43:30 am »

Lol that's fine, and with the internet comes a lot of knowledge and also a lot of bullshit. I will admit that I only know as much as what I've read on the internet and the my own experience with a "world class" t5. But even what you said isn't accurate. A 4cyc t5 built after a certain year is considered a world class in which case you use atf fluid in them. So you can't say all 4cyc use gear oil cause they don't. However, you can say all world classes use atf fluid and all nwc use gear oil. Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2013, 07:44:12 am »

Lol that's fine, and with the internet comes a lot of knowledge and also a lot of bullshit. I will admit that I only know as much as what I've read on the internet and the my own experience with a "world class" t5. But even what you said isn't accurate. A 4cyc t5 built after a certain year is considered a world class in which case you use atf fluid in them. So you can't say all 4cyc use gear oil cause they don't. However, you can say all world classes use atf fluid and all nwc use gear oil. Smiley

You are correct on this, i was wrong..............i've talked (online) to a few guys that run the 4cyl WC tranny and they use industrial style gear oil and i had my info all jumbled up in my head and have owned a few of the NWC v8 5spds also so that only makes it worse lol...............again your info is correct to a T
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2013, 06:56:28 pm »

HI all
So is there anyway to tell if a T5 is pre World class or World Class with out dismantling it?

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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2013, 07:13:49 pm »

HI all
So is there anyway to tell if a T5 is pre World class or World Class with out dismantling it?

Stephen

From Kirschenbaum's Mustang 5.0 book; "With the transmission out of the car, WC and Non-WC T-5's can be differentiated by the finish and inscriptions on the fronts of their respective countershaft bearing retainers. A single shade surface marked "Torrington" indicates a non-WC T-5. A "two-tone"surface marked "Timken" identifies a WC T-5." 
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2013, 02:16:40 pm »

This, have to pull the trans and bellhousing off, countershaft is a bearing w/retainer clip on WC, and just a freeze plug on the outside front of NWC
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2013, 08:12:13 am »

Or you could do what I did.

Sn-95 3.8 t-5 behind a 5.0.

Use a 11" clutch/flywheel and a mini starter and everything bolts right up.

I went with a 302 truck flywheel so I didn't have to get a flywheel ballanced or wait on parts. The f-150's used sae threads instead of metric, so I used the same f-150 clutch kit with throw out bearing and pressure plate. If you used an aftermarket or reballanced 3.8 flywheel, you should be able to run any 11" clutch made for a mustang.

Everything lined up like it was ment to be there, I even re-used my aod crossmember/mount and driveshaft. Only real minus's, I used a 99+ trans so the speedo is way off, and the f-150 flywheel is 28lbs opposed to a 5.0 mustang one being only 21lbs.
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2013, 08:16:10 am »

Oh, forgot to mention, all 94 up t-5's are rated at 330/lbs. I don't really like the 3.35 1st gear ratio, but its good for atleast 35mph before the stock s.o. runs out of air, and I have a very stock like .68 od ratio. its basically a "z" spec trans with an 11" clutch. I managed somewhere between 28 and 32mpg (speedo/odometer dosen't work, so just a guess. 493ish miles with 1/4 tank left) on a straight freeway run up to montana.
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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2013, 09:04:54 am »

T5 tech info.

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/T5Identifier.gif



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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2013, 05:49:16 pm »

Oh, forgot to mention, all 94 up t-5's are rated at 330/lbs. I don't really like the 3.35 1st gear ratio, but its good for atleast 35mph before the stock s.o. runs out of air, and I have a very stock like .68 od ratio. its basically a "z" spec trans with an 11" clutch. I managed somewhere between 28 and 32mpg (speedo/odometer dosen't work, so just a guess. 493ish miles with 1/4 tank left) on a straight freeway run up to montana.

Wrong info......

94-98 t5s behind 3.8s are 265ftlbs.... 99+ are 300 ftlbs not 330. Also input shafts are longer so you need a 94+ bellhousing. Also the starter is clocked in a different position which puts it in the way of longtubes on a fox body. Also 99+ use an electronic speedo that requires you take the tailshaft off to replace the gear.

gmatt posted correct info above me.
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