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« on: March 10, 2010, 05:32:07 pm »

Is there a way when looking at the engine to tell whether it is a 390 or a 429?
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 05:35:51 pm »

the "fe"  360,390,428,and so on are very easy to identify for me as the fe engine is the only engine besides i beleive a pontiac..?...that the pushrods actually go thru the intake..
...therefore the fe intake is wide as hell and makes the heads them selves smaller..

as u can see the pushrod holes in the intake..



and looks to be a 427 ex bolt pattern head, but none the less u can see here the heads are unique along with the intake..



these were the first motor/'s i was introduced to back in my day..lol..first motor i blew up rebuilt ..lol.good ol mud/swamp truck
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 05:41:15 pm »

What Pontiac has the push rods through the intake? Thanx!
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 05:41:36 pm »

as you can see in the picture above, if you are looking at a complete engine, the rocker arm cover mates to both the intake manifold and the cylinder head on the FE engines.

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 05:59:29 pm »

What Pontiac has the push rods through the intake? Thanx!

like i said above I wasnt sure which motor exactly i just remember from back in the day it was either a old chrysler or pontiac motor that had a similiar shaft rocker assembly,wide intake, there fore pushrods thru the intake.  ill look around.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 07:21:46 pm »

Cool thanks!!!  Im looking at a truck and he says it has a 429 but in 68 they only offered a 390.  So I wanted to know when I went to look at it.

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 07:39:21 pm »

There are many ways to distinguish the "FE" (352/360/390/427/428) motors from the "385" (429/460) series motors as virtually nothing is similar or will interchange.  Once you've seen a few of each, you will easily be able to spot either from a distance.  It all depends as to how much of the motor you can actually see.  Other than the intake/heads differences mentioned above, the FE has a skirt that hangs down below the centerline of the crankshaft that ends at the oil pan rail.  The bellhousing mounting surface is more round on the FE and there is a "dogleg" or ear that wraps down below the starter.  The water pumps and front timing covers are different.  The bottom of the FE front cover is flat and forms a continuation of the pan rail around the front of the crankcase.  The FE water pump bolts directly to the block (2 bolts on each side) and is separate from the front cover (similar to a sbc/bbc) and has a short, straight bypass hose from the waterpump to the intake manifold.  The thermostat housing on the FE is always bolted to the front side of the manifold like the SBF.  It bolts down onto the top of the manifold on the 385 series.  As seen in the above photo, the exhaust port side of the cylinder heads is probably one of the most common ways of identifying the FE as the flanges of each port are separated at the top but have a continuous surface across the bottom with most of the FE's having a top and bottom bolt pattern (there are other patterns as well including the 16-bolt cobra-jet and 14-bolt GT), and the 429/460 is always a bolt on each side of the port.  The spark plug holes are buried deep between the valve cover rail and the exhaust flanges with the 2 front plugs pointing rearward and the 2 rear plugs pointing forward, whereas the "385" are evenly spaced and all pointing the same angle similar to SBF.
I hope this helps.
Also keep in mind there are Truck versions of many of these big block motors where they look similar on the outside, but have many different cubic inch displacements that are unique to the truck versions.  Good Luck!
PS-the 429 debuted in 1968 in big passenger cars.  It is possible someone transplanted one in.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 11:55:48 pm »

The Ford 2.8, 2.9 & 3 liter engines used the same head configuration as the FE.

They're kind of cute....mini FE!

Otherwise not worth mentioning!
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 12:46:32 am »

As did the 1.7L V4, the 2.0L V6, the 2.3L V6, and the 2.6L V6.

The V4 was designed in the late 50's, and it had a balance shaft, hell,
the SOHC 4.0L in the new Mustangs is related to that little V4, and the
design has been in production for over 50 years, what was the last year
for the windsor?? Grin
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2012, 05:27:17 pm »

Very simple Ford Engine,count the valve covers bolts
5 Bolts,FE Series 352/390/406/410/427/428
6 Bolts,Small Block windsors,221/255/260/289/302/351
7 Bolts,335 Series,370 truck,429/460
8 Bolts,Boss 302,351C,351&400M
Who the question aboput the Pontiac with the Pushrods thru the Intake,their
Ram Air V Head(Tunnel Port)trans am head.the engineer at GM who designed it was the
brother of the Engineered that designed them at ford for the 427 FE's&68 302 trans am
engines.
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