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« on: August 30, 2009, 02:57:51 am »

Before I start, let me set some shit clear. As you may have noticed, the no Bullshit Flag rule applies here, the politically correct crap?.... you know were to post it. The rod to stroke, PtV, cylinder side loading, higher revs, more durability crap are still (as it has always' been) in effect. Nevertheless,  lets make or try to configure a setup against those common sense rules. Rules to abide to:

331 stroker: 3.25" stroke x 4.030" bore... set.
Stock HR or early non-HR/mexican block?... your choice
28 oz. external or internal balance setup?... your choice
100% N/A setup.... set
EFI or carb?.... your choice.
Manual or automatic transmission?.... your choice
Aftermarket, non-Ford stock heads?....... yup. No GT40, GT40P, 289 or 351w heads.....pleeeeeaaaase.
OTS cam limited....... solid FT, solid roller ot HR tappet limited, no custom cam alternative, OTS part numbers please.
Daily driver, RPM limitation = none, emissions compliance = none.
Torque/HP requirements?... who cares!.... a 11.5 ET performer, full weight, with A/C in the 1320'

Commence firing......... I'm Waiting!....... now!
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2009, 06:52:00 am »

Before I start, let me set some shit clear. As you may have noticed, the no Bullshit Flag rule applies here, the politically correct crap?.... you know were to post it. The rod to stroke, PtV, cylinder side loading, higher revs, more durability crap are still (as it has always' been) in effect. Nevertheless,  lets make or try to configure a setup against those common sense rules. Rules to abide to:

331 stroker: 3.25" stroke x 4.030" bore... set.
Stock HR or early non-HR/mexican block?... your choice
28 oz. external or internal balance setup?... your choice
100% N/A setup.... set
EFI or carb?.... your choice.
Manual or automatic transmission?.... your choice
Aftermarket, non-Ford stock heads?....... yup. No GT40, GT40P, 289 or 351w heads.....pleeeeeaaaase.
OTS cam limited....... solid FT, solid roller ot HR tappet limited, no custom cam alternative, OTS part numbers please.
Daily driver, RPM limitation = none, emissions compliance = none.
Torque/HP requirements?... who cares!.... a 11.5 ET performer, full weight, with A/C in the 1320'

Commence firing......... I'm Waiting!....... now!
WTF Outtahere
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2009, 11:26:50 am »

I'm a little confused. Are we supposed to fill in the blanks to make a combo the breaks the rules of common thought or just say how it could be improved?
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2009, 11:40:39 am »

If you were to configure a 331 stroker for the street and have fun at the track...... how would you set it, based on the limitations imposed above?
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Quote from: Joel5.0
The right to be stupid is inalienable for sure however, there is no such thing as a right to impose stupidity onto others
Great Thoughts will Overwhelm a Feeble Mind
There is never money to do it right, but there's always money to do it over.
Knowledge based on external evidence is unreliable.
He, who doesn't ask, does not deserve an answer.
A mind is like a parachute it only works when it is open.  (oldmanjoe)
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein)
Tuning on a Dyno for the track, is like swim practice in a bathtub.
I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. (90lxcoupe)
The proof of understanding is the ability to explain it. (H. Torruella)
Ignorance is bliss, but stupidity is orgasmic.
Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it. (Samuel Johnson)
The chaotic resistance of the opponents leads to the conclusion that they are not prepared to meet the challenge. The problem is already much more psychological then technological. [Bojidar Djordjev]
Individuals are rational and humane... Crowds are reactionary and barbaric. (Jason)
The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. –Chinese Proverb
Nothing sways the stupid more than arguments they can't understand - Cardinal de Retz
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2009, 12:19:33 pm »

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331 stroker: 3.25" stroke x 4.030" bore... set.
Stock HR or early non-HR/mexican block?... your choice 
28 oz. external or internal balance setup?... your choice
100% N/A setup.... set
EFI or carb?.... your choice.
Manual or automatic transmission?.... your choice
Aftermarket, non-Ford stock heads?....... yup. No GT40, GT40P, 289 or 351w heads.....pleeeeeaaaase.
OTS cam limited....... solid FT, solid roller ot HR tappet limited, no custom cam alternative, OTS part numbers please.
Daily driver, RPM limitation = none, emissions compliance = none.
Torque/HP requirements?... who cares!.... a 11.5 ET performer, full weight, with A/C in the 1320'

Commence firing......... I'm Waiting!....... now!

331 stroker: 3.25" stroke x 4.030" bore
Mexican Block
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Canfield 195's( Ill be different than the TFS norm)
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2009, 03:22:37 pm »

331 stroker: 3.25" stroke x 4.030" bore... set.
Stock HR or early non-HR/mexican block?... your choice
28 oz. external or internal balance setup?... your choice
100% N/A setup.... set
EFI or carb?.... your choice.
Manual or automatic transmission?.... your choice
Aftermarket, non-Ford stock heads?....... yup. No GT40, GT40P, 289 or 351w heads.....pleeeeeaaaase.
OTS cam limited....... solid FT, solid roller ot HR tappet limited, no custom cam alternative, OTS part numbers please.
Daily driver, RPM limitation = none, emissions compliance = none.
Torque/HP requirements?... who cares!.... a 11.5 ET performer, full weight, with A/C in the 1320'

For various, NUMEROUS reasons, I would NEVER do this.

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***And if allowed, have it ground with the 351W F/O and NOT the 289/302 F/O.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2009, 03:32:01 pm »

not to sidetrack..but how come the 1.7's on the intake side and 1.6's on the intake?



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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2009, 03:33:25 pm »

not to sidetrack..but how come the 1.7's on the intake side and 1.6's on the intake?



carry on..

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630 intake
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2009, 03:40:08 pm »

wouldn't compression have a factor in this?

11.5 is a perty easy target if you ask me even considering the guideline factors
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2009, 04:20:03 pm »

331 stroker: 3.25" stroke x 4.030" bore... set.
Stock HR or early non-HR/mexican block?... your choice 
28 oz. external or internal balance setup?... your choice
100% N/A setup.... set
EFI or carb?.... your choice.
Manual or automatic transmission?.... your choice
Aftermarket, non-Ford stock heads?....... yup. No GT40, GT40P, 289 or 351w heads.....pleeeeeaaaase.
OTS cam limited....... solid FT, solid roller ot HR tappet limited, no custom cam alternative, OTS part numbers please.
Daily driver, RPM limitation = none, emissions compliance = none.
Torque/HP requirements?... who cares!.... a 11.5 ET performer, full weight, with A/C in the 1320'

Commence firing......... ....... now!

mexican block
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2009, 04:24:32 pm »

wouldn't compression have a factor in this?

11.5 is a perty easy target if you ask me even considering the guideline factors

54cc on a 331 kit is 10.70:1
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2009, 04:27:08 pm »

331
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vic sr
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pro system carb
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trick flow 225 high ports
+
dur @50 273- 273  
+
 lift w/1.6  .640-.640  
+
lob sep 104
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long tubes 1-3/4 x3

=

8500 RPM and more. Grin
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2009, 04:35:34 pm »

331
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vic sr
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pro system carb
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trick flow 225 high ports
+
dur @50 273- 273  
+
 lift w/1.6  .640-.640  
+
lob sep 104
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long tubes 1-3/4 x3

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8500 RPM and more. Grin


Looks like he will need some gear.....

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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2009, 05:34:41 pm »

i am sitting on 5-13 gear and 28 inch tire now.   for fine tuning i`ll try a 29 inch tire or if i have to a 4-90 gear.   Whistling   joe
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 A mind is like a parachute it ONLY works when it is OPEN
 Grandpa`s word`s of wisdom, joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack
 Only a rich man can afford cheap parts, because he can afford to replace them
 If you did not understand what i said,say so and i will try and explain it another way
Many of life's failures are experienced by people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.
Don`t get frustrated...get educated,you are at the library now ,so start reading .
Life`s journey is not to arrive at the grave Safely in a well preserved body,Rather to skid in sideways, out of control, totally worn out, Shouting Holy shit what a ride.
Inside the box is too crowded for me!!! besides every time you get going you run in to another corner.
 SPEED READING and written technical information , Don`t go together
Time is the best teacher, but most of its students die before learning the lessons.
IF YOUR READING COMPREHENSION IS NOT
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2009, 07:04:58 pm »

not to sidetrack..but how come the 1.7's on the intake side and 1.6's on the intake?



carry on..

586 intake
613 exhaust
is retarded

630 intake
613 exhaust
is closer

and because Joel tied my hands, I worked within the confines.

My Bad..... you can use the GT40 heads if you want........ Hides Behind Sofa..... 

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LUK  LMK  JIC  BTSTDTRT  YCYDYP  NFI-YTM  SPOBI, and the classic... DILLIGAS

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Quote from: Joel5.0
The right to be stupid is inalienable for sure however, there is no such thing as a right to impose stupidity onto others
Great Thoughts will Overwhelm a Feeble Mind
There is never money to do it right, but there's always money to do it over.
Knowledge based on external evidence is unreliable.
He, who doesn't ask, does not deserve an answer.
A mind is like a parachute it only works when it is open.  (oldmanjoe)
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein)
Tuning on a Dyno for the track, is like swim practice in a bathtub.
I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. (90lxcoupe)
The proof of understanding is the ability to explain it. (H. Torruella)
Ignorance is bliss, but stupidity is orgasmic.
Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it. (Samuel Johnson)
The chaotic resistance of the opponents leads to the conclusion that they are not prepared to meet the challenge. The problem is already much more psychological then technological. [Bojidar Djordjev]
Individuals are rational and humane... Crowds are reactionary and barbaric. (Jason)
The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. –Chinese Proverb
Nothing sways the stupid more than arguments they can't understand - Cardinal de Retz
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