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Title: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: woody on May 31, 2006, 02:40:56 pm
Here is your forum for all things 302. We have a dedicated stroker forum so let's try to keep the 302 stroker discussion there.  :)


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: justond57 on August 23, 2006, 10:35:41 pm

hey does any one know where i can find a 302 boss i am looking 2 buy one 2 put in my 65 mustang


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: woody on August 23, 2006, 11:50:23 pm
your better off building one using cleveland heads and a boss 302 intake. Finding an original will set your pocket book on fire


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: xr7cat on September 01, 2006, 02:58:35 pm
And you instanity level will up just trying to find one, or so I am told.

Daniel


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: mighty mouse on September 06, 2006, 03:49:55 pm
I didnt think you could run a Boss 302 (real one) intake on a Cleavor?  Am I mistaken? :jawdrop:


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: hars on September 13, 2006, 10:33:52 pm
your better off building one using cleveland heads and a boss 302 intake. Finding an original will set your pocket book on fire

Hi Woody, how are you? I guess this is not the right place, but I got too curious to hold off. Can you use cleveland heads on a 302 or I misunderstood? Tks.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: woody on September 13, 2006, 10:38:51 pm
your better off building one using cleveland heads and a boss 302 intake. Finding an original will set your pocket book on fire

Hi Woody, how are you? I guess this is not the right place, but I got too curious to hold off. Can you use cleveland heads on a 302 or I misunderstood? Tks.
Yes you can use cleveland heads on a 302, for 99.999% of people its too much work though. Unless you find a set of boss 302 heads on ebay which I see about twice a month. The cleveland engine uses a dry intake, meaning no coolant like the windsors so you need to plug a hold on the cleveland head. Drill a few small holes in the block. The biggest problem is the lack of intakes, the remedy for that is to use Price Motorsport intake spacers.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: hars on September 13, 2006, 10:42:16 pm
Is it worth the trouble or a set of good aluminum heads would do a better job?


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: woody on September 13, 2006, 10:47:30 pm
Is it worth the trouble or a set of good aluminum heads would do a better job?
Its not worth the trouble, a decent set of aluminum heads is definately the way to go.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: mighty mouse on September 14, 2006, 09:31:44 am
other than the coolness factor. . . open the hood and people say "What is that?"  :jawdrop:


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: 82FBGT50 on October 03, 2006, 09:57:55 pm
haha yes  its just the cleveland heads that make it worth it for the wow factor and you can fool people by saying yeah its a ligit boss motor ! haha


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: BigPhil147 on October 10, 2006, 04:32:30 pm
thank you....


 :burnout


Title: Boss 302
Post by: unfairadvantage on November 03, 2006, 08:48:31 am

Just a quick note to let you folks know that Ford is finally casting new BOSS blocks. Not actually an exact clone, more of an improvement on the old part. Figure once they have enough stashed away for their own crate engine needs, they should start pushing some bare blocks out the door to customers. This looks like a really nice pc. of hardware for low budget racers, I just hope they make enough of them to keep the price within reach of us average Joe Sixpack types.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: Joel5.0 on November 03, 2006, 09:15:26 am
Yep..... :party

(http://www.fordracingparts.com/images/part/full/newboss.jpg)
(http://www.corral.net/images/stories/press/ford/2006Boss302/boss302_05.jpg)


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: knucklefux on November 03, 2006, 12:35:23 pm
and what exactly is that^^^?


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: Joel5.0 on November 03, 2006, 12:55:52 pm
The new Boss 302 block released by Ford ...... http://www.fordracingparts.com/jumppages/boss.asp?x=1


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: knucklefux on November 03, 2006, 05:40:48 pm
meh.  i'd save the extra cash for a dart block.  of course, that's because i want a 9.5" deck height...


Title: starting problems
Post by: afman2006 on November 05, 2006, 08:37:19 pm
hi, i have a 68 mustang that has a really big problem wanting to start in the morning. does anyone have any suggestions?


Title: Re: starting problems
Post by: Is1BadFord on November 06, 2006, 12:19:03 am
hi, i have a 68 mustang that has a really big problem wanting to start in the morning. does anyone have any suggestions?

I'd go to the general tech section, and make yourself a new post there.  But, I'll tell you this, they're gonna want a LOT more information than it's a 68 with a bad attitude in the morning =).

Good luck!

Cris  :smile


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: 4eyedhatch on April 11, 2007, 06:56:32 pm
 I have a question about my 86 GT. Is it worth an E7 head swap on a stock 86 (flat top) bottom end with 1.7RR, or will I not see that much of a gain? The E7's have 1.84 and 1.54 valeves and minor port work. I know a cam is out of the question, but I do not have the funds to build a shortblock for the summer. :bang


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: Joel5.0 on April 11, 2007, 07:19:19 pm
 :wonder:....you would have to make sure the E7's clear with the stock cam anyway.....some do....some don't. Will it see some gain....provided you check PtV and notch pistons if required......:umyes:.....is it worth it?........YCYDYP


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: Mickey Haller on April 11, 2007, 07:32:11 pm
I did this some years back.

I bolted on a set of stock valve E7's with the exhaust bumps removed on my 86 GT.  I also swapped upper intakes at the time and added a 65mm TB.

The car seemed totally different.  The E6 setup was crazy fast (at least it seemed at the time) to about 70 mph were it started to lose breath at a pretty drastic rate.  After the swap the car seemed a touch slower at low rpms, but was a whole new animal after say 2500 rpms.

Was it worth it?  Considering the swap cost me about $150 at the time - yes!

Would I do it again?  If the stuff was free and I was broke - yes, I would do it again.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: V8Demon on April 17, 2007, 12:21:33 am
Quote
I bolted on a set of stock valve E7's with the exhaust bumps removed on my 86 GT.  I also swapped upper intakes at the time and added a 65mm TB.

The car seemed totally different.  The E6 setup was crazy fast (at least it seemed at the time) to about 70 mph were it started to lose breath at a pretty drastic rate.  After the swap the car seemed a touch slower at low rpms,

Not for nothing, but that 65mm T/B was probably a bit too much at anything less than 2500 RPM.  Just my opinion on that though.....

E7's on flat-tops will net you a minimally higher C/R (provided you don't have to notch).  What else have you done to this car so far?  Step 1 IMHO would be to get an 87-up upper HO intake and 60mm T/B and port the lower. 

**and those new Boss blocks look like a great piece.  I especially like the screw-in freeze plugs.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: 93coupe5.0 on May 05, 2008, 06:39:56 pm
Whats up everyone.  New to the site


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: 93lxcoupe5.0 on May 05, 2008, 07:23:40 pm
 :welcomesbf


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: robbie on June 10, 2008, 09:42:37 pm
Awesome web site!!!!!

I am new here but feel like I'm home

Thanks, robbie


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: gtvert90 on June 11, 2008, 01:44:57 am
Robbie. Please add your location to your profile.  :thanx:

Did you find your way over from mustanggt.org?


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: no bull on June 07, 2009, 01:43:53 pm
i'm not at all turned on by the new boss block. i like strokers and clinders been shorten way to much for me. i guess they're trying make it easier for stroker clearance whice underminded the whole idea anyway. :dissap:


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: sirhc2004 on November 05, 2009, 01:28:50 am
is a xxx block a good block to build a strong motor with?....and is it a factory roller motor?


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: jtmustang on November 05, 2009, 01:33:01 am
is a xxx block a good block to build a strong motor with?....and is it a factory roller motor?



ding ding ding...

u answered your own question..just another stock 5.0 roller block..


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: sirhc2004 on November 05, 2009, 01:59:44 am
:yess:.....the guy i got the car it was in from told me it was a 70s motor out of a ford truck.......guess he was wrong......it has a mechanical fuel pump and 2 dipsticks one in timing cover and other in oil pan....is this common or is this a mix of different gen motor parts?


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: liljoe07 on November 05, 2009, 06:44:01 am
Sounds like a mix match of parts. If you know it has xxx in the lifter valley, then does the lifter valley have the provisions drilled for the spider tray.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: sirhc2004 on November 05, 2009, 07:59:49 am
it has the spider tray and dog bones in it......me and a guy got in an argument about roller motors a few days ago he said if it had the holes drilled for the tray then it is a roller motor even if it doesnt have the roller cam or lifters.....but the way i see it thats what makes it a roller is the cam and lifters and without those is just anoter motor thas capable of being a roller motor....i may be wrong but thas how i see it


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: oldmanjoe on November 05, 2009, 09:43:18 am
here is a thread with pictures that shows the difference in blocks.   joe
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,11904.0.html


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: mighty mouse on November 05, 2009, 10:02:10 am
is a xxx block a good block to build a strong motor with?....and is it a factory roller motor?

but they are the weakest of all the factrory 8.2 deck blocks.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: sirhc2004 on November 05, 2009, 11:34:51 am
which one the roller or non roller?


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: mighty mouse on November 05, 2009, 12:02:10 pm
which one the roller or non roller?

The roller engines.

Well - to be honest - all production 302 engine blocks since 1980 are the "thin wall" casting with open main bolt holes - and all are the weak link.  1985 saw the first roller production block - and some say they got weaker then as well because of the holes for the spider web. 


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: sirhc2004 on November 06, 2009, 01:40:34 am
ok that brings me to another question.....ive seen people use valley girdles for added strength...do they work at all or is it a waste of money? :wonder:


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: liljoe07 on November 06, 2009, 08:13:59 am
Waste of money. Block cracks from the Mains then moves up through the cam tunnel.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: dragogt on December 25, 2009, 09:25:40 am
What about w/ a main gurdle?


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: bender460 on December 25, 2009, 09:59:19 am
What about w/ a main gurdle?

  IMO could help the bearings a little. But if the block is going to break it's going to regardless. At least it might hold it all together possibly break less parts.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: dragogt on December 25, 2009, 10:58:20 am
Ah, ok tks.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: TheBlackPlague on April 28, 2010, 10:19:30 am
Hello, my name is Rick from St. louis and was referred hear for engine questions and knowledge.
Im currently building a 94 Gt from the ground up. So far has 8 point cage, subframe connectors, torque box supports, moroso battery box, kirkey seats, upr air bag delete, rear seat delete.
Is comming out the paint shop hear in a week, painted 93 cobra Spec Vibrant Red w/ all keyholes and emblems shaved, 3" cowl, crab claw spoiler blah blah blah.

Main reason I was directed hear was my plan is to build a 408w and have more than a few questions about h/c/i combos, fitment of exhaust for a great street/strip combo. Looking for more torque than horsepower cause I want to win races, not be the best dyno queen.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: mmb on April 28, 2010, 10:27:34 am
My Cobra is also Vibrant Red - Shit give me a hard on!!!  :spit:


 :welcomesbf


 :wtf: is a crab claw spoiler? Hope it's not fast and furious....


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: gtvert90 on April 28, 2010, 11:12:34 am


 :wtf: is a crab claw spoiler? Hope it's not fast and furious....
:spit:
I think he's talking about the cobra spoiler...I hope  :P

And  :welcomesbf


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: 69 Merc on April 28, 2010, 01:41:01 pm
Looking for more torque than horsepower cause I want to win races, not be the best dyno queen.

Horsepower is what wins the races.  HP = RPM x torque/5252.  Remember that the motor produces torque across it's entire usable RPM powerband.  Large amounts of horsepower in the upper RPM's is what accelerates your car and which is what will help you win the race.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: TheBlackPlague on April 29, 2010, 12:20:08 am
Looking for more torque than horsepower cause I want to win races, not be the best dyno queen.

Horsepower is what wins the races.  HP = RPM x torque/5252.  Remember that the motor produces torque across it's entire usable RPM powerband.  Large amounts of horsepower in the upper RPM's is what accelerates your car and which is what will help you win the race.

Torque gets you off the line and gets your car moving. I race from a dig, I can put a monkey in my car and punch the gas pedal from a roll for the  top end.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: TheBlackPlague on April 29, 2010, 12:20:52 am
My Cobra is also Vibrant Red - Shit give me a hard on!!!  :spit:


 :welcomesbf


 :wtf: is a crab claw spoiler? Hope it's not fast and furious....

You never heard of a 94/95 cobra spoiler, WTF.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: mmb on April 29, 2010, 12:31:03 am
Never heard of crab claw parts!! I chunked my spolier long time ago, prefer a 94 notch....


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: 69 Merc on April 29, 2010, 10:26:31 am
Looking for more torque than horsepower cause I want to win races, not be the best dyno queen.

Horsepower is what wins the races.  HP = RPM x torque/5252.  Remember that the motor produces torque across it's entire usable RPM powerband.  Large amounts of horsepower in the upper RPM's is what accelerates your car and which is what will help you win the race.

Torque gets you off the line and gets your car moving. I race from a dig, I can put a monkey in my car and punch the gas pedal from a roll for the  top end.

You do know that torque is the only "thing" that the motor produces, right?  Horsepower is derived from a formula which takes into account at what RPM the torque is being produced.  More torque in the upper RPM band makes for more work being produced quicker so you'll accelerate that much faster . . .

Pretend that your monkey's ride produces a lot of torque "down low" to get your ride off of the line as you say it.  Pretend that your ride doesn't make that much torque at 6000RPM.  Pretend that my Merc makes a lot of torque at 6000RPM.  You can gear your ride as you like and I can choose my TC, too.  If our rides' weight and suspensions are the same who do you think is going to win a speed contest between us?

 :burnout


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: 69 Merc on April 29, 2010, 09:10:30 pm
 


Pretend that your monkey's ride produces a lot of torque "down low" to get your ride off of the line as you say it.  Pretend that your ride doesn't make that much torque at 6000RPM.  Pretend that my Merc makes a lot of torque at 6000RPM.  You can gear your ride as you like and I can choose my TC, too.  If our rides' weight and suspensions are the same who do you think is going to win a speed contest between us?

 :burnout

:waiting:


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: windsordeath on April 29, 2010, 09:17:30 pm
Looking for more torque than horsepower cause I want to win races, not be the best dyno queen.

Horsepower is what wins the races.  HP = RPM x torque/5252.  Remember that the motor produces torque across it's entire usable RPM powerband.  Large amounts of horsepower in the upper RPM's is what accelerates your car and which is what will help you win the race.

Torque gets you off the line and gets your car moving. I race from a dig, I can put a monkey in my car and punch the gas pedal from a roll for the  top end.

You're just talking out your ass.."Crab Claw"...He has a nickname now.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: Kgarrison7993 on June 16, 2010, 06:42:04 pm
Hi, I have a 94 Mazda B4000 4X4 that I am going to attempt to put a 302 in. I am up for any ideas. This is my everyday truck but the 4.0 cracked both heads and I need a new motor and I said why the hell not.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: gtvert90 on June 16, 2010, 07:59:20 pm
Hi, I have a 94 Mazda B4000 4X4 that I am going to attempt to put a 302 in. I am up for any ideas. This is my everyday truck but the 4.0 cracked both heads and I need a new motor and I said why the hell not.

Its similar if not identical to the ranger isn't it? Or am I way off in left field?

 :welcomesbf


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: Sabre on July 14, 2010, 07:36:56 am

hey does any one know where i can find a 302 boss i am looking 2 buy one 2 put in my 65 mustang

If you are still look for a real 302 boss I might be able to help you, the only problem is it is here in Australia,
If your interested, let me know


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: Joel5.0 on December 31, 2010, 10:28:36 am
Hi, I have a 94 Mazda B4000 4X4 that I am going to attempt to put a 302 in. I am up for any ideas. This is my everyday truck but the 4.0 cracked both heads and I need a new motor and I said why the hell not.

Its similar if not identical to the ranger isn't it? Or am I way off in left field?

 :welcomesbf

Nope.... it IS a Ranger.......  :naughty: .... the Mazda P/Up's are made by :ford2:


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: dragogt on June 12, 2011, 08:38:58 am
Hi, I have a 94 Mazda B4000 4X4 that I am going to attempt to put a 302 in. I am up for any ideas. This is my everyday truck but the 4.0 cracked both heads and I need a new motor and I said why the hell not.

One of the best write ups I've seen for a ranger 5.0 swap..

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/V8Conversions.html


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: FJ5.0 on January 02, 2012, 02:14:44 pm
New guy with a 5.0 in an offroad buggy.


Title: Re: Welcome 5.0 people
Post by: Joel5.0 on January 02, 2012, 02:24:39 pm
 :welcomesbf .... don't forget to add your location to your profile.