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Title: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 11:03:22 am
Provided by: Rodney Tolleson

01. Block
Displacement: 302
CR: stock

02. Heads
Brand: ford
Model: gt40P
Ported?: No

03. Camshaft (If the camshaft is custom, NOT providing this information is understandable, and NOT expected)
Brand: ford
Grind Number/Model: stock mustang H.O.
Int./Exh.
Int./Exh. Lift:
Lobe Separation Angle:

04. Induction
Carbureted/EFI: Fuelie
Intake: exploder
Carb/Injector Size: 19lb. 4holes
Throttle Body Size: 70mm
Mass Air Size: speed density

05. Tuner: dizzy wrench adjustable FP reg :hmmmm:

06. Exhaust
Style:  Long tube/BBK
Diameter: 1-3/4
Catted: no
"X" or "H": none
Mufflers: flo-smasher 2-1/2

07. Power Adder: right foot

08. Transmission
Manual/Auto: auto
Model: AOD
Plate/Clutch:
Converter Stall: 3000/3200

09. Gears
Style: Motorsport
Ratio: 4.56
Differential Style: 8.8 traclok

10. Rear Suspension Setup: 2" drop shackles

11. Front Suspension Setup: badass factory springs, Lakewood 90/10's

12. Tires: 205/75 frt/255/60 m/t DR's

13. Car Weight: 4250 race weight

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Time Slip:

60ft: 1.953
330ft: 5.762
1/8th ET: 9.050
1/8th MPH: 74.30
1/4 ET:
1/4 MPH:
Dyno Data:

FWHP: 
FWTQ:
RWHP:
RWTQ:

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COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS:
Vans are awesome!




Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 11:20:26 am
This silly story all started when i decided i needed something to prowl the junkyards with....bring home larger items the mustang cantor wont hold. I deally a truck would fit the bill but craigslist just wasnt cooperating as i couldnt find anything that i felt drawn to..........now this is important because i've had trucks in the past and had no attachment so i was looking for something that i would like...........

My step son commented that a van might be cool so i thought what the hey? Browsing instantly brought this jewel of a '88 econoline up for $900.....it had the work/sleeper look so it couldnt hurt to check it out......

The main selling points by the buyer were that it had a "awesome" sound system and a BRIGHT interior dome light..........hey WTF man thats all you had to say...im sold! Anyways the motor was a mystery...5.0 or 5.8? i wanted the 5.0 so i could roller cam it and a quick vin decode cleared that right up............a jaunt around the block and i was sold...........the front suspension was already race ready!

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AHwJKWGtOrrkm1D9BhI4iBzM6JNsHdmOsltVZKXsU5RsuccjeKpxVKc3ytVYaxqtlhBLGIn7XjlnGXPvxkGHdDm1glUbZL4wsEYtf60-ySb7kLeEUKoDRQVJK0Fh77lI9A--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AHwJKWGtOrrkm1D9BhI4iBzM6JNsHdmOsltVZKXsU5RsuccjeKpxVKc3ytVYaxqtlhBLGIn7XjlnGXPvxkGHdDm1glUbZL4wsEYtf60-ySb7kLeEUKoDRQVJK0Fh77lI9A--.jpg.html)

Here i is pickin it up from the sellers digs............happy buyer!

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/11425447_10207090613766848_3782126565173268197_n.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/11425447_10207090613766848_3782126565173268197_n.jpg.html)

The drive home was revealing..............it was a pile..........slow shifting slow running etc....but with any 302 there is hope..........it didnt look any better the next day lol
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/van%20rear.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/van%20rear.jpg.html)
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/van%20p%20side.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/van%20p%20side.jpg.html)

A little soap  and water and a little black paint improved it a little............
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/3143225_600.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/3143225_600.jpg.html)

But the real fun was about to begin.............we had a date with the track, but not before a few mods.......



Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 12:23:22 pm
First off let me clear up any misconceptions....this started out as a joke bbbuuuttt well you know how it is...sometimes things just grow on ya and this is becoming one of those cases but anyway the first order of business was to get rid of crap we didnt need...like a/c (didnt work) heat egr etc.............


(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AOnnySTreRgyUObSTc1LfVoVdCULCiPNQXRuWUORXqh0CYRBp0intFdwqJRPNJm5xA2IrZqYL-WUGLcSGqc1YjNEfYo68rl0lXQUbQIamcwBHCrAZjCa3dfF72Ict7JW2A--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AOnnySTreRgyUObSTc1LfVoVdCULCiPNQXRuWUORXqh0CYRBp0intFdwqJRPNJm5xA2IrZqYL-WUGLcSGqc1YjNEfYo68rl0lXQUbQIamcwBHCrAZjCa3dfF72Ict7JW2A--.jpg.html)

And get some cool stuff we did need!....it now has a shift knob :clap
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AIBUvxOIqOqMz4fgLjKQKAEu-0PI5JgN5iPsOIrTLfVRRsr0UQNYGibT5I0s6kx9iQNkOqSNeT8Qp-QbumDUyX7abiwBHSmKZH3NU73oOD9-YPhzCZgKBzsEYal_-mAarw--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AIBUvxOIqOqMz4fgLjKQKAEu-0PI5JgN5iPsOIrTLfVRRsr0UQNYGibT5I0s6kx9iQNkOqSNeT8Qp-QbumDUyX7abiwBHSmKZH3NU73oOD9-YPhzCZgKBzsEYal_-mAarw--.jpg.html)

Homemade ghetto CAI for  BIG POWAH!!!
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AAhatKhtM8TxNSsjnu4dyxXd3St-LVozms5_5kvE0ZigzN8hPppv5s1GulJe466aoMia_Q0b0VDg3cTsHZw5rcn6S3_2pfDfhpFGrhuZBIOd-RrbUs-ImU_J4VB_eRzC3Q--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AAhatKhtM8TxNSsjnu4dyxXd3St-LVozms5_5kvE0ZigzN8hPppv5s1GulJe466aoMia_Q0b0VDg3cTsHZw5rcn6S3_2pfDfhpFGrhuZBIOd-RrbUs-ImU_J4VB_eRzC3Q--.jpg.html)

Gotta have duals with flo-smashers for that classic sound :drink

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/ABjopsIuqE37dluQqmHtGPbw20yTBrnopQbuw5moexCXLvSD4BEZZCQNz2mHqTvWtD0Z58be0MVYbdhX30QoaexRo10cRqNHPpQH4Gn86rQKsRxb3u5vsRSHYO8PrRderQ--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/ABjopsIuqE37dluQqmHtGPbw20yTBrnopQbuw5moexCXLvSD4BEZZCQNz2mHqTvWtD0Z58be0MVYbdhX30QoaexRo10cRqNHPpQH4Gn86rQKsRxb3u5vsRSHYO8PrRderQ--.jpg.html)

H.O. roller cam for some big time RPM :chair..........also a new timing chain whoo-hoo!

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AORnTaNXjD2sPTq5Pj7jJsr4xxTxAj6c0qM8hzT6XRNEOcBhwP2GIK2iIGfaTDYar4lqws9Eo9taO-pN6Snra15erWhaz76eByeFzUaiK3xyxnh9AcK3cyESoiHkrzEY1w--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AORnTaNXjD2sPTq5Pj7jJsr4xxTxAj6c0qM8hzT6XRNEOcBhwP2GIK2iIGfaTDYar4lqws9Eo9taO-pN6Snra15erWhaz76eByeFzUaiK3xyxnh9AcK3cyESoiHkrzEY1w--.jpg.html)

And to finish off beast mode some 4.10's...........
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/ACrOefn08pncgBJnErgzqxAg2tDnCKMgFJf-J8WFWWCGiiWKjbQbj7uWL6wYLDr5cWUjaOU5RZ0q64O4CioIwt0CqnwdTSG-5SFy6HgkOjlQI-ujlWjW7lz1PS6m13_4QA--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/ACrOefn08pncgBJnErgzqxAg2tDnCKMgFJf-J8WFWWCGiiWKjbQbj7uWL6wYLDr5cWUjaOU5RZ0q64O4CioIwt0CqnwdTSG-5SFy6HgkOjlQI-ujlWjW7lz1PS6m13_4QA--.jpg.html)
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AFG6ekOkKE0kKYtZiAsh9Xi1l13-0ES1E3ZS05y5dfvd0NuUCpkpPBhAmghDFcUsB8ZelnAa7J6D8mdWtViNcWFSYGQida8j4OnEhkxIbEZpUq7GJmLFpv4wiJJABuvEHQ--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AFG6ekOkKE0kKYtZiAsh9Xi1l13-0ES1E3ZS05y5dfvd0NuUCpkpPBhAmghDFcUsB8ZelnAa7J6D8mdWtViNcWFSYGQida8j4OnEhkxIbEZpUq7GJmLFpv4wiJJABuvEHQ--.jpg.html)

At this point its basically a pro-mod but i was still going to drive it to the track!



Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 12:47:48 pm
Well the first track day was upon us and the van was ready to gap any and all comers.............a quick rundown of the intail combo............CAI, underdrive crank pulley, short belt, 1-5/8 shorties 2-1/2 duals w/flosmashers, transgo shift kit, 4.10's with traclok, 4500lb race weight...............
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/IMG_0572.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/IMG_0572.jpg.html)

ran a string of 10.40's .42/.44/.44@67.3 etc.......


Made a return trip and it nudged its way into the 10.30's with a 10.38@68 so it was getting ready to go big game hunting!

Around this time a buddy went with me to another buddies house and on the way home i gave him a demo of what the dragvan was all about................he was surprised but not impressed (of course..chevy guy) and asked me what it ran.....he then asked what i thought it could run........i said 8.99 would be my "perfect" run number with some more budget mods and perfect weather to which he replied "No f$cking way".............uuuhhhh game on dude!

I then slipped on a raczin curank pulley, homemade ram air, bumped the timing to 14* and pulled the knock sensor and dropped the work shelves outta the back gettin it down to a svelte 4350 and banged out a 10.11@70...............didnt make him nervous but he twitched...i saw it!

Our next round involved some more budget junk......purchased a "good" exploder motor from the jy at a overstock sale........

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AGDWCJLhxO3_sZIfSf46bd6Lx10iE22Gv3YHBDXfL-ujNyXI9Rwp0OKsvpSUMEUkJ0vfggLhLTPtruAO6o7R1lDUq64m9LFRs4U5GSDm2kAfndta-KMQUpfsWXpttrmaqA--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AGDWCJLhxO3_sZIfSf46bd6Lx10iE22Gv3YHBDXfL-ujNyXI9Rwp0OKsvpSUMEUkJ0vfggLhLTPtruAO6o7R1lDUq64m9LFRs4U5GSDm2kAfndta-KMQUpfsWXpttrmaqA--.jpg.html)

Dragvan doin work!

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AGeYqqOiUHdlfywxepoRWpK6xx5OuVZwZ7J3bjKqJwk84B4gqq8vWRxYdqpoTjUGGwp4xAIBBBqU3qJ4BpC9AFXdKKKCgYWi5CXU4LsKPHYwFDoyZ33RfKpF-IJhAlOGeQ--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AGeYqqOiUHdlfywxepoRWpK6xx5OuVZwZ7J3bjKqJwk84B4gqq8vWRxYdqpoTjUGGwp4xAIBBBqU3qJ4BpC9AFXdKKKCgYWi5CXU4LsKPHYwFDoyZ33RfKpF-IJhAlOGeQ--.jpg.html)

Got the exploder intake which allowed to me to ice it at the track....truck intake is to tall in the vans...i alsobumped the timing some more and had a 70mm t/b lying around from a mustang.........also added some mustang alum. space savers to the front with adapters and 205/75's for a little weight loss..

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AMS2dpQbLGvH0oy6btRXAyMbvIPbfC4GWLebqYZMfguwNTFmsVf3H0qW_OD5Gsxtid5uX4rmifQjWiuTtq0kc9JM4hDWpKYvVrZJRvCI8zJ0mpZBA2cgQlvCJavGVCU5kg--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AMS2dpQbLGvH0oy6btRXAyMbvIPbfC4GWLebqYZMfguwNTFmsVf3H0qW_OD5Gsxtid5uX4rmifQjWiuTtq0kc9JM4hDWpKYvVrZJRvCI8zJ0mpZBA2cgQlvCJavGVCU5kg--.jpg.html)

No hub caps...lookin strong! :drink

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AFE5jMssi-65t3_9FA_uNJEYYGqXp-a4opF6JoFPBcVFofDslTu85xsy21Tnt-Y1FXpGt8TZF0pxzRhiOwiNe7DCs4ZAGW1epHbi7l2wtQNWt_-5ER-GTTZugmDfUhMl6g--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AFE5jMssi-65t3_9FA_uNJEYYGqXp-a4opF6JoFPBcVFofDslTu85xsy21Tnt-Y1FXpGt8TZF0pxzRhiOwiNe7DCs4ZAGW1epHbi7l2wtQNWt_-5ER-GTTZugmDfUhMl6g--.jpg.html)

This all added up to a blistering 9.94@71.45 @4300lbs................things were getting serious now!


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 01:04:40 pm
After these first few track outtings i thought it might be time for some DR's as it was hazing the 235/75's a little so i slapped them on...i actually had one 6 year old almost new 255/60 so i spent big time for another new one....whoops.........it ran 10.11/.13......slapped the stock rubber on and it ran 10.05...whelp it needs a little wheel speed to get past the stock stall...sssoooo guess what happened next?

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AMqW5zDuD2dJ5s6OCmZ_Sw54MY3GePM3jOVPV9s90NhY8Huf85s4iHtPzrTTYl7oSQ8UY-BKa0u1rKJd65U8OoG3PFbQ-V07R8TsHDK0n0BtxvN-iAJEobF-KVFDriqTJw--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AMqW5zDuD2dJ5s6OCmZ_Sw54MY3GePM3jOVPV9s90NhY8Huf85s4iHtPzrTTYl7oSQ8UY-BKa0u1rKJd65U8OoG3PFbQ-V07R8TsHDK0n0BtxvN-iAJEobF-KVFDriqTJw--.jpg.html)

Yep....a el cheapo roadrunner 3200 stall...$345 shipped what a bargain :spit:

I also dropped the back 2inches for that stealthy race look :wtf:

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/APGs2TAtjKm9xTzytZvgEByWV_rhDooVW50RIgb2UKJgt2nI7fGUbJMgqdJzMJQKZSvr5QbaknBNZApnBBuWaSfWgLrdq9LTBHIZXSuHObmhWQ2Kuwp5T6wNUtbGlWN_JA--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/APGs2TAtjKm9xTzytZvgEByWV_rhDooVW50RIgb2UKJgt2nI7fGUbJMgqdJzMJQKZSvr5QbaknBNZApnBBuWaSfWgLrdq9LTBHIZXSuHObmhWQ2Kuwp5T6wNUtbGlWN_JA--.jpg.html)

We drug the beast back up to the track and snuck into the back of staging to keep from scaring any potential money races away.............

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AEP9eaZfOj8kLEEwEI5zIplYnu7ya_kIBYuqWTde5qWkMv18UXQc8HfUU6n6701pcjS_sde-kPEJMYZg5wlDqu0MUSglvRS32cNZa67Lwoi2wamuU6B4Og3Yp4ilcC2qWQ--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AEP9eaZfOj8kLEEwEI5zIplYnu7ya_kIBYuqWTde5qWkMv18UXQc8HfUU6n6701pcjS_sde-kPEJMYZg5wlDqu0MUSglvRS32cNZa67Lwoi2wamuU6B4Og3Yp4ilcC2qWQ--.jpg.html)

Stall and the 255/60 DR's netted us a best of 9.62@70.13........2.11 '60......previous best was 2.33 but that was just whetting the vans appetite for speed and we had a few more cheap goodies on the table :rock


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 01:21:44 pm
Our next mod was a pair of banged up longtubes for a fox 5speed that i bought from a guy who had mangled them to fit around a powerglide..........1-3/4 so they should kill all the bottom end :gfy

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/ALyCd5RWgqgh8I74Z1tDQ3U1wURg8f6xu-JPd3CC9xpYoVQjV8EOZ4R4mKdXwF0PWqS7D4PsDGVQS6avHvtIxew9mhspi0p8PEjzFE2AwQIfWnEwW9MDLHr3b3xNSQ2jkg--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/ALyCd5RWgqgh8I74Z1tDQ3U1wURg8f6xu-JPd3CC9xpYoVQjV8EOZ4R4mKdXwF0PWqS7D4PsDGVQS6avHvtIxew9mhspi0p8PEjzFE2AwQIfWnEwW9MDLHr3b3xNSQ2jkg--.jpg.html)
 
At this point i planned on going up to the track with this one mod bbbuuutttt we got rained out 3 weekends in a row so i added a few things..........manual steering box $63 off fleabay

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AHFlzKXtrPGicwDivrrBrifURKhISN1eGvRO73z04uasWCMyGRJsAld-BW-F0Y2KGEp8I90mdAhXuh1fUVaEB1fVHI63o2prsTSwELYdFQAF8pXgjLt7jjVJeXNqJiy77Q--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AHFlzKXtrPGicwDivrrBrifURKhISN1eGvRO73z04uasWCMyGRJsAld-BW-F0Y2KGEp8I90mdAhXuh1fUVaEB1fVHI63o2prsTSwELYdFQAF8pXgjLt7jjVJeXNqJiy77Q--.jpg.html)

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/ANHbFx_cKDUeJ4-a5DGl8S5BmO3aLRPUvqmKCSObNyDiRIgSM1FlkTIlVyFznm3thuC85vxJY8X0JtMbks2aTOB4rTniUIb7dhV9Rv5NZ3PwnZhqRd4k2iMB-wY2L-6B2g--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/ANHbFx_cKDUeJ4-a5DGl8S5BmO3aLRPUvqmKCSObNyDiRIgSM1FlkTIlVyFznm3thuC85vxJY8X0JtMbks2aTOB4rTniUIb7dhV9Rv5NZ3PwnZhqRd4k2iMB-wY2L-6B2g--.jpg.html)

Got some factory ford alum. wheels from the jy to replace the steel d spokes my DR's were mounted on....shot'em wit da bbbllllaaaccckkkkk...
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AKxrgB9ixbNldNo92V5vcSa5lRodK8iWO9NpwpbhQO5G69pP92WLW40c9InWAlZR9kuK41wzWLMlBJXwD6CPG85gPypveuu1f7mpnxHkxJd0XlrQ8EyETy97Qy76y2NCmg--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AKxrgB9ixbNldNo92V5vcSa5lRodK8iWO9NpwpbhQO5G69pP92WLW40c9InWAlZR9kuK41wzWLMlBJXwD6CPG85gPypveuu1f7mpnxHkxJd0XlrQ8EyETy97Qy76y2NCmg--.jpg.html)

And last but not least a little lap dance on the valves and fresh springs for the P FOR POWAH heads........
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/ACvggJEcS88FoZnXKhWTGQSx9Hb4PnSBoQHbipyQzxrWSrbu6zVNcUs0v135gldfyMXe053o-tU_bHXV-ohhS9mgCqckResoQ7r9QX186tSguIzfJ9j10821bqcxYUDx4g--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/ACvggJEcS88FoZnXKhWTGQSx9Hb4PnSBoQHbipyQzxrWSrbu6zVNcUs0v135gldfyMXe053o-tU_bHXV-ohhS9mgCqckResoQ7r9QX186tSguIzfJ9j10821bqcxYUDx4g--.jpg.html)

All this budget goodness got us a 9.48/.52@71...............uuuhhh yeah i was on suicide watch until David reminded me to run up the FP a little and it clicked of a .25........added some timing and more FP and it dropped a 9.18 in my lap.............we were really close at this point and had a few more tricks up our sleeves.......peeps also startin to steer clear of the van in stagin :burnout


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 01:36:54 pm
I had 2 more "budget" things i could do to try for the 8's........uncork the exhaust some (bullets/glasspacks etc.) or more gear............the gear was the cheaper option for me as i already had the "special" cross pin for 4.56 and lower gears from another long dead project ssssooooooo i ordered up a cheap fresh set of motive white box gears $116 shipped and gotz my work on!
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AK_dYGgi_zM4Q8RlFmmakp5CeYk60ehspuFteae-j1kCTCT0byqGoOGz-TqbZzXzunH9dUW_mM57Vz0kuAqjNiAmWV5lbDQJQen2xIbeTVNW0cJd6Xvw4w2rhBL-iN2_sw--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AK_dYGgi_zM4Q8RlFmmakp5CeYk60ehspuFteae-j1kCTCT0byqGoOGz-TqbZzXzunH9dUW_mM57Vz0kuAqjNiAmWV5lbDQJQen2xIbeTVNW0cJd6Xvw4w2rhBL-iN2_sw--.jpg.html)

My old FP gauge was reading nutso so i splurged $20 of mcdonalds eat out money for a liquid filled new one............race car? HELL YES!
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AGxAkerZ5bmX05H-89KFMRO1WP_TKc7aN4CLq4pxsG17np3GWNCWQ5zn0SheJfTbddOoYF-jd1Xb7U_nvMp_xD6Z1iwt_v3GHie5NcYtT0_14pn9NW0741Wx3W-BMFEzIg--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AGxAkerZ5bmX05H-89KFMRO1WP_TKc7aN4CLq4pxsG17np3GWNCWQ5zn0SheJfTbddOoYF-jd1Xb7U_nvMp_xD6Z1iwt_v3GHie5NcYtT0_14pn9NW0741Wx3W-BMFEzIg--.jpg.html)


Now some guys fear the gear but not 'ol rod...he loves the gear...........anyways the stall is loose and a non-lock so it buzzes a little even with 4.10s........4.56's? about the same RPM as the 4.10 at cruise lol........2500/2600@65 and it feels alot spunkier around town but that aint gonna put no bitches on the trailer, track times do so i slid back up there solo while pirate mike is sailing the seven seas and david has a dance off competition or school work or whatever the hell he does besides going to the track..........

first pass was a 9.11/.13...let it shift itself 9.18/.18...bumped FP (44 with vac) 9.07/.05...FP to 46...9.23...45 9.15...back to 44 9.09/.07/.07/.09...ssssoooo thats where we stand........David has a ported exploder lower and shortened and ported upper im going to try and i'm gonna bolt on the mustang header bullets to try and bust into the 8's before i spend any money on the exhaust...... maybe a MAF conversion and a OTS cam to see how far this little 200+mile 20psi oil pressure 5.0 can go into the 8's



And i still have all my mustangs:)


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: scienceguy on December 02, 2015, 02:40:59 pm
Awesome!  Love it!!!



Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 03:13:26 pm
Forgotz to add i installed a junkyard e-fan from a taurus that has ate 3 toggle switches with the first batch of mods and it has a jy mini starter.............also had a set of 90/10 drag shocks i bought used for a crown vic/marquis that i finagled on the front after removing the piece of square tube...bitch be rockin now!


Also ran 74 mph after the FP/timing was bumped....from the 9.48/.52@71 passes..........no mph gain from the 4.56 swap............i get braindead when i post alot at once :loser


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: dennis112 on December 02, 2015, 03:59:33 pm
Enjoying the new and unexpected thread Rodney.  Keep up the good work. 


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on December 02, 2015, 04:48:05 pm
I am loving this,  dude this is awesome. Try to find an aluminum driveshaft. It's not a huge weight savings, but every pound counts.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 05:13:41 pm
I am loving this,  dude this is awesome. Try to find an aluminum driveshaft. It's not a huge weight savings, but every pound counts.

Fortunately the good folks at Ford supplied me one from the factory :idea.............

Glad you liked it Dennis.......just a place to keep info straight and logged and if people get a laugh.....well thats just a bonus :party


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on December 02, 2015, 05:22:34 pm
Wow I didn't know that, don't I feel like an idiot lol

Throw some slicks on it and get a transbrake. Launch it at 5000  :rock


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on December 02, 2015, 06:31:21 pm
i installed a junkyard e-fan from a taurus that has ate 3 toggle switches

http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,36917.0.html


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: quickshift on December 02, 2015, 07:07:22 pm
You probably got a set of 1.7s laying around and some springs.....let her rev!   :yes:


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on December 02, 2015, 07:48:58 pm
You probably got a set of 1.7s laying around and some springs.....let her rev!   :yes:

+1

The stock HO cam was respectable for what it was, and 1.7's woke it up quite a bit. Several of my friends did that with their 5.0's. I think it gives you about. 470 lift if I remember correctly.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 10:09:53 pm
You probably got a set of 1.7s laying around and some springs.....let her rev!   :yes:

Yeah........it shifts outta 1st.@ 5600-5800 WOT with the awesome "hi-rev" gov. supplied with the shift kit and it was the lowest setting which is a little high for a stock cam and i throw the 2-3 at around 5500 doin the shuffle....i let it shift the 2-3 itself and its 5K WOT and it also slowed down et and mph


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 10:22:47 pm
Wow I didn't know that, don't I feel like an idiot lol

Throw some slicks on it and get a transbrake. Launch it at 5000  :rock

It hooks great with the DR's right now.........t-brake would kill the stock AOD lol........another good reason for me to go non-lock trying to save the pencil shaft lol

I get around 2600 on the footbrake...................really needs a 351 or maybe depending how far (if) i get into the 8's i'm not a 100% sure i wouldnt juice it and try for the 7's........i have a gt40 plate kit on the shelf, just need a few parts to make it functional :idea

of course its all fun and games when you're not spending "real" money on it,  just nickel and dime stuff havin fun :ban

A bunch of little kids were in a school bus ahead of me today on the way home from work and they were laughin and wavin at me, i stuck my tongue out and waved back and hopped at the bus........they went crazy :wtf:.....waving at a weirdo in a van is like playin with matches, sneakin out or looking at a dirty magazine...livin dangerous lol

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/AKnQmhEvnnKhsMYOw80LEB0Btsj7siZeSOG97MbPBBUiiF1BtbvHTEhPuvv6y9zTPvgLBS8J8VeQIbAKehOm9Z8JKMLAfz5LFoGbkR19LcJlpLGKFNaWGThRvpo-a0pm2Q--.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/AKnQmhEvnnKhsMYOw80LEB0Btsj7siZeSOG97MbPBBUiiF1BtbvHTEhPuvv6y9zTPvgLBS8J8VeQIbAKehOm9Z8JKMLAfz5LFoGbkR19LcJlpLGKFNaWGThRvpo-a0pm2Q--.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: CDW6212R on December 02, 2015, 10:30:17 pm
Great fun, lots of things will work for anything like that van.

I've still got a couple of things I bought from Art Carr, in 1988 when the AOD was a kid just starting to get upgrades. I have a non lockup(one input shaft(not two)) shaft and the matching TC for it. I doubt I'll ever use it now, and the stall would be on a lower side(street - not chosen for a high rpm). I think Art Carr had two TC's then, and called them a C6 TC(probably a direct C6 unit).


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 02, 2015, 11:09:10 pm
Yeah i really should have ponied up at least $165 for a hardened pencil shaft but i'm a total skin flint on some things......................and end up regretting it down the road :bang

I cant bitch to much about the converter.....its loose but for what i paid i'm happy, time will tell.....really need a bigger tranny cooler and thought about putting a temp gauge in just to keep an eye on it........


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on December 03, 2015, 01:20:09 am
You probably got a set of 1.7s laying around and some springs.....let her rev!   :yes:

Yeah........it shifts outta 1st.@ 5600-5800 WOT with the awesome "hi-rev" gov. supplied with the shift kit and it was the lowest setting which is a little high for a stock cam and i throw the 2-3 at around 5500 doin the shuffle....i let it shift the 2-3 itself and its 5K WOT and it also slowed down et and mph

With an Aod start with it in L, push to D when ready to shift to 2nd but immediately pull it back to L after it shifts to 2nd, that locks it in 2nd. When ready to shift to 3rd push it to D again. Voila, driving an Aod manual style.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 03, 2015, 09:10:14 am
Yep....thats how i do, it old school term is AOD shuffle..............it shifts the 1-2@56/58 WOT whether you shift it or not...........once in a blue moon it will start in 2nd from a stoplight so i just started leaving in 1st. and clickin it up once its rollin...........launching at the track consists of prestage, bring up to 2k...ease off the brakes just enough to slide it in shallow as possible while  still bringin it up to 26/27, launching and clickin it up as soon as it rolls out, pullin it back down after the 1/2 and clickin it back up to D around 54/55..............this thing is more of a pain to drive than my stick cars lol


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 03, 2015, 11:14:30 am
Finally, someone with some taste.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: dennis112 on December 03, 2015, 12:02:34 pm
Finally, someone with some taste.

Beer budget taste . . . . .


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on December 03, 2015, 02:23:52 pm
Mr Blue, when I had an aod fox,  I was going to change valve bodies. I found one that made the shifter  1,2,D and the OD was a toggle switch...... Or maybe I dreamed it, I drank a lot back then lol


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 03, 2015, 02:57:29 pm
I've got a lentech valvebody in one of my foxes like that.............i've had it for around 15 years and it still works flawless.............just didnt want to drop $400+ on a vb for this crapbox but maybe in the future if i keep playing with it..............


z-adamson..............i think everyone likes the fact that i own it and not them....they want to but then realize its better knowing someone with one than being the guy with one..............my significant other cringes that i've started DD it lol :drink


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on December 03, 2015, 03:30:52 pm
Always fun reading about your projects Rodney.  I'm surprised nobody has given any credit to the double roof wings.  Those alone should have been worth .2.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on December 03, 2015, 03:39:30 pm
Find some used drag lites for it, save some weight wherever you can.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 03, 2015, 04:41:53 pm
Always fun reading about your projects Rodney.  I'm surprised nobody has given any credit to the double roof wings.  Those alone should have been worth .2.

Lol...roof racks keepin it stealthy Nate..............i keep sayin i'm gonna throw a ladder up there for race day............i've also got a neck brace i found at the jy with mike and dave that i've promised to wear for a pass.........get the locals that line the fence betting on TNT day all stirred up :drink


Honestly the front space savers and rear alums. are maybe a pound or so heavier than d-lites...plus the bolt pattern is a problem for the rears.....not really enough savings to justify cost.........


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 03, 2015, 04:50:17 pm
Weight savings...................i also run it with no pass, seat and the doghouse off....sounds like the crank is coming out at the top of first :loser
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/seat.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/seat.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 03, 2015, 10:16:56 pm
All this budget goodness got us a 9.48/.52@71...............uuuhhh yeah i was on suicide watch until David reminded me to run up the FP a little and it clicked of a .25........added some timing and more FP and it dropped a 9.18 in my lap.............we were really close at this point and had a few more tricks up our sleeves.......peeps also startin to steer clear of the van in stagin :burnout

That was so funny, you went from wanting near wanting to burn it down to almost giddy. I figured it was OK to write "Free Candy" on it then.... :orglaugh

I still want to try that 75MM-R on it after the intakes swap.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on December 04, 2015, 10:50:37 am
"Free Candy" and "Free Hugs" cracked me up.  :spit:  Should make a sign that says "Bubba's Plumbing Service and Budget Child Care".  Then write the phone number for the local jail or prison below.  Or roll around the pits with it in a hoodie wearing dark sunglasses unabomber style.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on December 04, 2015, 11:01:14 am
Finally, someone with some taste.

You have started a new trend.  :thumb:


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on December 04, 2015, 11:03:11 am
Yep....thats how i do, it old school term is AOD shuffle..............it shifts the 1-2@56/58 WOT whether you shift it or not...........once in a blue moon it will start in 2nd from a stoplight so i just started leaving in 1st. and clickin it up once its rollin...........launching at the track consists of prestage, bring up to 2k...ease off the brakes just enough to slide it in shallow as possible while  still bringin it up to 26/27, launching and clickin it up as soon as it rolls out, pullin it back down after the 1/2 and clickin it back up to D around 54/55..............this thing is more of a pain to drive than my stick cars lol

T5 swap?


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on December 04, 2015, 07:31:13 pm
A manual would be awesome in it! !


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on December 05, 2015, 07:14:48 am
T5 swap?
A manual would be awesome in it! !

The shifter would look like something out of a Rat Fink cartoon.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 05, 2015, 10:38:55 am
T5 swap?
A manual would be awesome in it! !

The shifter would look like something out of a Rat Fink cartoon.

Yep....shifter would look weird.............ive done some research on this (of course) and they did offer the m5od in vans after '86 but they are super rare and the trans are not geared worth a shizz........but i keep my eyes out at the local jy's for one so i can rob the pedal assembly for any possible future use.......also for a harness to modify for a MAF swap.........hopefully going tomorrow to try the exploder DCD upper and ported lower, then swap the bullets on for an 8.99 lol............

Z needs to throw up a current van pic :pimp


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on December 05, 2015, 11:04:17 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhytGj3yR8c

Just a little motivation for ya.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 05, 2015, 11:17:11 am
Yep....shifter would look weird.............ive done some research on this (of course) and they did offer the m5od in vans after '86 but they are super rare and the trans are not geared worth a shizz........but i keep my eyes out at the local jy's for one so i can rob the pedal assembly for any possible future use.......also for a harness to modify for a MAF swap.........hopefully going tomorrow to try the exploder DCD upper and ported lower, then swap the bullets on for an 8.99 lol............

Z needs to throw up a current van pic :pimp
Did you get that upper from Michael?
DCD?


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 05, 2015, 01:39:37 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhytGj3yR8c

Just a little motivation for ya.

Lol...................saw that guy on youtube years ago and have asked him a few questions on fb..........here's his combo:
Small block 360 with 10to1 forged piston, 2800 stall converter,727 trans with a shift kit,4.10 gears, Spartan locker, stock suspicion except for coil over rear shocks, and solid mounts. The motor is studded top and bottom. Built to handle a 250 shot. I might try a 210 shot after I get new M/T ET Streets I use 28x11.5x 16


ET'S:
It has run 2.15 '60/ 9.85 at 65 all motor 1.79 '60/ 8.62 at 78 on 150 shot.

He says it weighs 6000lb............its a tub but he hands out icecream on the return road to kids so hey :ban


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 05, 2015, 01:41:40 pm
Did you get that upper from Michael?
DCD?

Yep..............actually fixing to put it on..............

David Claflin Development

Everyone says blah blah racing....................thought you could go classy :pimp


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: gmatt9858 on December 05, 2015, 03:29:06 pm
more motivation, remember this guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SZhGX25WJc


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 05, 2015, 08:56:54 pm
Did you get that upper from Michael?
DCD?

Yep..............actually fixing to put it on..............

David Claflin Development

Everyone says blah blah racing....................thought you could go classy :pimp
Cool, let me know how it does tomorrow. I figured the second D stood for destruction, demolition, or maybe dorkification...... :orglaugh :pimp


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 06, 2015, 12:43:58 pm
more motivation, remember this guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SZhGX25WJc

Yup... lotsa vids of him on the tube..................... not into coal rollers but i love this thing....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcF9HccFYc

Another cool van..........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlC1uW_oS3M

Another cool van................no fords though :dunno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZMzeEULVIg


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: gmatt9858 on December 06, 2015, 01:08:30 pm
no fords though :dunno


Ya, you seem to have the market cornered on drag vans with the blue oval.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on December 06, 2015, 02:12:38 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhytGj3yR8c

Just a little motivation for ya.

He runs at my local track and always gets a lot of smiles.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Haystack on December 08, 2015, 01:26:46 am
My dad has a 91 e-250 Econoline with a 460. He never drives it, hasn't been registered in 3 years, even though gas is $1.94 a gallon now. I've been tempted to take the 460 out and buy a parts truck for a 302/351 swap with a manual, but at the end of the day, its not worth the effort. You can pick up similar condition e-150's for about $500.

I wanted the 460 for my cougar, but after looking at trans options and costs, I gave up on the idea. Cheaper to keep the 302.

We had a old 76 or 78 van my grandparents gave my dad. I-6 with a srod. If was a good van, until the srod crapped out, about every 20k miles. I tried to talk my dad into a m5od or t5 but he never did. It was a really fun van. Launching in first (not sure the ratio, but it seemed to be a granny) I could swear it pulled a wheel. It had that rat rod shifter, it was seriously about 2 1/2 ft tall.

I've been thinking about a van. I want a truck, but I'd get a short bed single cab ranger. They go for more then the vans do and aren't v-8 powered.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 09, 2015, 09:25:06 am
Well i'm sure everyone is tingling with aniticipation for a update :question:

So here we go.............got the DCD upper from pirate to go with the alabama shop ported lower to replace my stock exploder combo to try for that elusive 8.99...............

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/intake.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/intake.jpg.html)

And had the faithful bullets for a backup exhaust test and to put me over the hump if the intake wasnt enough..........

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/muffs.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/muffs.jpg.html)

Beautiful day and we're on our way..........51 miles there, 51 back :burnout

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/track%20interstate.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/track%20interstate.jpg.html)

Things went flaming downhill from there lol.....................first pass was pathetic  :duh
2.06/9.47/71.57...................uhoh.........wth?

It felt lazy and the slip confirmed it...............added a little FP and....whammo! 9.70.............houston we have a problem............lowered FP and went 9.61..........up to 42 FP and threw the airfilter on....9.46...damn.............

So i didnt try the exhaust...no point right then, gotta figure out whats up..........will be tinkering with it the next few days................

Did have a nice drive home lol.................

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/way%20home.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/way%20home.jpg.html)

But rest assured fellow van racers we will conquer the 8's!!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on December 09, 2015, 10:29:48 am
The drama has me on the edge of my seat!  I've never been so excited to see something break into the 8's in the 1/8.  :burnout :smile


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 09, 2015, 04:24:40 pm
Trying to post a pic, but can't for some reason...


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 09, 2015, 05:26:08 pm
This thing is awesome on so many levels.......


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 09, 2015, 07:22:29 pm
I think with the shortened runners of the upper, and large ports of the lower it just didn't have the oomph to get it off the line like before. I suggested to try the stock upper on it to see what that does. Ive got another stock lower I can port match that to his heads, and maybe try that. I think the one of mine he's got on there is close to a 1262 gasket size...


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 09, 2015, 08:16:47 pm
I think with the shortened runners of the upper, and large ports of the lower it just didn't have the oomph to get it off the line like before. I suggested to try the stock upper on it to see what that does. Ive got another stock lower I can port match that to his heads, and maybe try that. I think the one of mine he's got on there is close to a 1262 gasket size...

Got a Holley Systemax intake sitting around? That might work.....


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 14, 2015, 08:50:34 pm
Got a Holley Systemax intake sitting around? That might work.....

turns out it might not have been the intake, the low pressure pump in the tank shit the bed on him. He's got another pump now to put in and try. He'll probably bring it back up with the stock GT40 on it to get a new baseline, before swapping intakes again.



EDIT: Fixed quote. JC.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 14, 2015, 09:37:05 pm
Well the fuel pump crapping out will do weird things. If he hasn't swapped intakes yet I would leave the current ported/cut up GT40 alone.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 14, 2015, 10:01:42 pm
Well the fuel pump crapping out will do weird things. If he hasn't swapped intakes yet I would leave the current ported/cut up GT40 alone.
He's already swapped them back, will get a new baseline with the new(er) pump.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 15, 2015, 09:59:06 am
Yep......installing a 255 in place of the low press. pump....by-passed the low press reservoir and in-line booster pump.....basically be setup like a foxbody etc............should have it back together tonite but wont get it back to the track for a week or so...got another project almost done that needs to make some baseline hits this sunday :drink


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 22, 2015, 05:17:07 pm
Van is back up and running but wont get back to the track till new years.................wish i had the real one of these....saw this and had to have it  :burnout


(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/super.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/super.jpg.html)


Vid of the real thing in action :drink


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg6WdboK1nY


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on December 23, 2015, 01:01:52 am
That Supervan is sweet!  Never heard of it before.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: gmatt9858 on December 23, 2015, 04:57:15 pm
That Supervan is sweet!  Never heard of it before.


There's a supervan 2 & 3, with F1 engines. They ran one at the Goodwood Festival in England.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnqdIsBJT0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJyMqByOfIM


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 24, 2015, 10:59:38 am
I've seen the second one...didnt know about #3....actually saw the first one when i was watching an episode of "for the love of cars" when they restored a old transit...........


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 28, 2015, 11:21:08 am
Well the weather did not cooperate this week for any mustang work so i decided to take the van to the track for a new baseline now that the fuel system has been "fixed"..................weather was garbage, rainy and humidity out the butt aallll week................not supposed to sweat or run a/c during xmas right?

Me and Mike headed up and it was sprinklin on me almost the whole way but was dry at the track.............unloaded our yardsale goods, changed tires and let it cool for a minute and made a back to back...

9.29@72.49
9.32@72.39 DA 1550 with 87% humidity....yay............

Made a small FP adjustment......
9.24@72.74
9.25@72.72

At this point it was time to get serious lol.....................pulled of the flo-logs and bolted on the bullets
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/muffs_1.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/muffs_1.jpg.html)

And got this..............
9.21@72.83
9.21@72.85

Uuuggghhh...............thats disappointing lol.................was hoping for more :drink.......so i made another small FP adj and gave it a lick of timing...........
9.21@73.07
9.19@73.07

Better but still would have liked more from the bullets so i decided to let it cool a little longer with the icebag...........
11.39@49...........actually felt like it spun on the 1-2 shift and i lifted not sure what was going on, like maybe the AOD died lol...........return road hit felt fine.....ssooooooo
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/chester.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/chester.jpg.html)

Someone in the tower has a sense of humor..............anyways was my last/best pass of the night and the DA was 1300+ with 80+ humidity so maybe some cold air will get me a 8.99......we may know this weekend :burnout

And dont bag on me about the reaction, i was trying to get super shallow and get all the brake stall i could and it was a single :P   lol.................

They also have the clock jacked in the tower, that pass happened around 6:15.........


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on December 28, 2015, 12:54:47 pm
Not bad for racing in that soup.  I'm thinking you've got a shot at an 8.99 with the planets aligned.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 28, 2015, 04:23:12 pm
Why are you trying to get by with all these garbage parts when you could instead use something better?


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on December 28, 2015, 04:55:31 pm
Why are you trying to get by with all these garbage parts when you could instead use something better?

And yet, I'd bet money that his "garage parts" van is still quicker than your van with its $10,000 engine.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Outlaw Bill on December 28, 2015, 05:16:10 pm
Why are you trying to get by with all these garbage parts when you could instead use something better?
Maybe he is having fun with all those garbage parts and does want to put any real money into the beater van?.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 28, 2015, 05:27:57 pm
Why are you trying to get by with all these garbage parts when you could instead use something better?

Basically the only "new" parts were the stall, 4.56 gear, shift kit, one tire, muffler shop work (pipes) and valve springs....also gaskets............all the "performance" stuff i basically had lying around.................and honestly i never really planned on spending money on a  stall but my buddy said it wouldnt run in the 8's with the proposed list sssoooooo i had to try and prove him wrong..............i also have other projects i'd like to put money into (that i dont have lol)..............i'm also "that guy"........you know, the one who wont buy good stuff but beats and bangs on junk :bang

And projects also have a way of changing over time, i've never been the big planner on projects, just tinker with what makes me happy..................wish i had money to buy some better stuff for it like a 351 :clap

Its all good. wish i had your 347 :burnout


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 28, 2015, 07:07:37 pm

And yet, I'd bet money that his "garage parts" van is still quicker than your van with its $10,000 engine.

Even if it was, which is doubtful, it wouldnt really matter since quickness wasnt the objective with the my van.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on December 28, 2015, 07:58:54 pm
Even if it was, which is doubtful, it wouldnt really matter since quickness wasnt the objective with the my van.

Well, I'm sure that impressing you isn't the objective of his or that of anyone else on this forum.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 28, 2015, 09:05:16 pm
Why are you trying to get by with all these garbage parts when you could instead use something better?
Where's the fun or challenge in that?!?!? :orglaugh It's easy to throw new parts at something and make it fast, takes more talent, imagination,  and creativeness to scour for sale forums, or the buddy network to find this or that thing for this car, or that one and make the parts available work together.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on December 29, 2015, 01:43:33 am
Why are you trying to get by with all these garbage parts when you could instead use something better?

I bet he's been asked that in the lanes a hundred times with any of his cars at the beginning of the day in the staging lanes.  Then after he runs the same people wonder why they've spent so much money just to be slower or believe he is a filthy low down liar. 

One of my good friends with a '70 Nova and BBC believes I'm full of crap about my displacement and/or compression/fuel.  Let him smell the fuel in the tank once and he swore it was alcohol.  LOL!  Pure 91 octane like our other buddies thought after a sniff.  But when your BBC gets it's rear handed to it by a lowly 289, you apparently let emotions overpower your senses. LOL!  That is the fun!  And Rodney makes me look like a webbed foot dropped on the head as a child cave man when it comes to drag racing.  Hence his popularity for making junk flat out work.

Anyone can appreciate a guy that can make diamonds out of lumps of coal.



Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 29, 2015, 10:55:32 am
I bet he's been asked that in the lanes a hundred times. 

Its usually how much i'm spraying....especially in the van lol.................but alot of guys spray around here so its understandable plus the legend of the fox efi 5.0 has worn off around here....most are slow or carbed or stroked or both and its fishy when a N/A iron headed efi 302 runs decent and honestly before David introduced me to this site i would be really skepictal also........the one thing i've learned is not to be afraid to try something, test test test and dont listen to the internet lol..............ok thats three things :drink


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 29, 2015, 02:12:46 pm
Well, I'm sure that impressing you isn't the objective of his or that of anyone else on this forum.

I am sure that asking why substandard parts are used isnt saying that I need to be impressed.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 29, 2015, 02:15:32 pm
Maybe he is having fun with all those garbage parts and does want to put any real money into the beater van?.

So putting money into a beater van is stupid?


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on December 29, 2015, 03:39:41 pm
asking why substandard parts are used

Well, apparently they aren't substandard. They are doing exactly what he wants them to do.

So putting money into a beater van is stupid?

If you mean by putting a $10,000 engine in on like you did, yes. Very stupid. Like, epic stupid.

An no, you won't find anyone on here who will agree with you.

Rodney is doing it to have fun, and somewhat as a joke. The difference with yours is that the joke is on you.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 29, 2015, 04:06:26 pm
So putting money into a beater van is stupid?
If he's not spending your money I don't see the point of your line of questioning...


....honestly before David introduced me to this site i would be really skepictal also........the one thing i've learned is not to be afraid to try something, test test test and dont listen to the internet lol
Skeptical was when I pulled that 92MM mass air meter and laptop out and I said we might be able to make your car faster :orglaugh


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 29, 2015, 04:18:06 pm
asking why substandard parts are used

Well, apparently they aren't substandard. They are doing exactly what he wants them to do.

So putting money into a beater van is stupid?

If you mean by putting a $10,000 engine in on like you did, yes. Very stupid. Like, epic stupid.

An no, you won't find anyone on here who will agree with you.

Rodney is doing it to have fun, and somewhat as a joke. The difference with yours is that the joke is on you.

As far as I can tell they (the parts) are NOT doing exactly what he wants them to do....he is not into the 8s yet. Secondly, he said, CLEARLY, that he would rather have a 351 in there and that he wishes he had my 347.

My $10K 347 on the other hand IS doing exactly what I wanted/want it to do and was built well within budget.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 29, 2015, 04:21:26 pm
So putting money into a beater van is stupid?
If he's not spending your money I don't see the point of your line of questioning...

He is not reaching his goals and it seems to me that the substandard parts are suspect. I am assuming it is not driver related considering his experience. I put foreward the line of questioning since this is a public forum and those that post open themselves up to any and all lines of questioning.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Outlaw Bill on December 29, 2015, 04:34:04 pm
Just wow is all I can say. For the record I would never mess with a van like Randy is van, but that's me. It's not right of me or anyone else to judge Randy because he found some pleasure in playing with that van. If Randy is happy, then that's all that matters.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 29, 2015, 04:44:11 pm
Just wow is all I can say. For the record I would never mess with a van like Randy is van, but that's me. It's not right of me or anyone else to judge Randy because he found some pleasure in playing with that van. If Randy is happy, then that's all that matters.

I agree, nobody should judge randy or anyone else.

As near as I can tell nobody has judged him though....not if you define "judge" as "...quickly forming a personal opinion of someone..."


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on December 29, 2015, 06:08:43 pm
As far as I can tell they (the parts) are NOT doing exactly what he wants them to do....he is not into the 8s yet.

Having ran 9.teens in shit weather, a nice day is the only thing stopping it from running 8s. If he does nothing else to it, 8s are a given come February or March.

Secondly, he said, CLEARLY, that he would rather have a 351 in there and that he wishes he had my 347.

Of course he would. But let's clarify that some. If your 347 showed up at his doorstep, he wouldn't put it into the van and he damn sure wouldn't use it in its current configuration.

My $10K 347 on the other hand IS doing exactly what I wanted/want it to do and was built well within budget.

Ever hear the saying "just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should "? Well, that applies to your 347 and its budget. Just because you have money to piss away, doesn't justify doing it. And then criticizing someone else for not doing it, just makes you look like an ass.

But there's another saying that comes to mind when I think about you. "You have more money than sense".




Hey Bill, who's Randy?   :orglaugh


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on December 29, 2015, 07:17:02 pm


Having ran 9.teens in shit weather, a nice day is the only thing stopping it from running 8s. If he does nothing else to it, 8s are a given come February or March.

Of course he would. But let's clarify that some. If your 347 showed up at his doorstep, he wouldn't put it into the van and he damn sure wouldn't use it in its current configuration.

Ever hear the saying "just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should "? Well, that applies to your 347 and its budget. Just because you have money to piss away, doesn't justify doing it. And then criticizing someone else for not doing it, just makes you look like an ass.

But there's another saying that comes to mind when I think about you. "You have more money than sense".

I can think of plenty holding him back from 8s and weather is the last thing I would blame for not reaching my personal goals.

Ever heard the saying knowledge is priceless? Information is liberating? Education is the premise of progress? The only source of knowledge is experience? It was my first real project of the sort and I learned lots.

There is a difference between criticizing and asking the obvious.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 29, 2015, 07:31:02 pm

1. I can think of plenty holding him back from 8s


2. asking the obvious.


1. What would you change, within reason of course? I'm always open to suggestions and am curious what you or anybody on here thinks about any combo i have...................

2. I pretty much answered that and anyone and everyone is entitled to their opinion and i dont take any of it personally, i call my stuff junk and garbage all the time..............the ole van brings a smirk and a chuckle to me everytime i race or bang around in it :thumb:


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Outlaw Bill on December 29, 2015, 08:02:15 pm
Sorry Rodney, proves you don't type a post in a hurry before going to the gym.  :spit:


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 29, 2015, 08:15:18 pm
I can think of plenty holding him back from 8s and weather is the last thing I would blame for not reaching my personal goals.
You do realize he's started from bonestock and changing one thing at a time if possible so he can show what those individual changes do for ET/MPH. It's not to bust off an 8.XX right out of the gate, another buddy of his said it'll never run 8's so, Rod took it as a challenge to show him he could do it.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 29, 2015, 09:30:30 pm
another buddy of his said it'll never run 8's so, Rod took it as a challenge to show him he could do it.

With the junk i mostly had lying around so i basically boxed myself in lol

The van shall run 8's!!!!!!!!!!



umm..............8.99 that is :drink


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: al2 on December 29, 2015, 09:48:34 pm
I'm thinking a 75 HP hit of nitrous will get you to way into the 8s


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on December 29, 2015, 11:38:42 pm
I'm always open to suggestions and am curious what you or anybody on here thinks about any combo i have...................

What about aero changes?

Remote the ladder rack (aero and weight).

Hit up the jy and look for a air dam or chin spoiler that will fit, or make your own.

Block the grill. Some cardboard and duct tape work fine for track testing.

And don't forget a stripe taker. Every little bit helps.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on December 29, 2015, 11:57:35 pm
I've actually been keeping an eye out for a conversion van frt spoiler.......the racks have to stay for cosmetic reasons lol................cardboarding the grill might be something....car craft did that about 17-18 years ago on a junk beater they were running and it showed a little e.t.


David needs to get that cam out for me so i can buy it and slow down lol............... :burnout :burnout


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: wywindsor on December 30, 2015, 06:14:34 pm
I love it. Who in their right mind would go to all the trouble and expense to give us here valuable info. and laughs, but Rodney. Now cut the belt off and get the 8.99 


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on December 30, 2015, 07:08:06 pm
David needs to get that cam out for me so i can buy it and slow down lol............... :burnout :burnout
LOL, soon. It's got an issue I need to resolve first before I pull the motor, and I have to dyno it too...


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on January 05, 2016, 11:30:23 am
Rodney,  you said after the 1st of the year the van was getting more attention. We are on the edge of our seats with anticipation waiting for the next Installment of RVRL (rape van racing league). Swipe some old lady's oxygen tank and run the line into the breather setup. More complete burnnnnnn. Or you could let 20lbs of air out of each tire. That'd save like 80lbs off the race weight LOL  :spit:


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on January 06, 2016, 12:45:51 pm
Well this weekend was a bust.......no racing sat. due to weather so me and the step son slid up there sunday.........they started 2 hours late due to weather and the place was busy with prima donna grudge cars blowin the tires off, carb back-fires , wrecks and the general nonsense that goes with them when the track temp is 50 degrees..........only made 3 disappointing passes.......9.17/9.20/9.25 all at 73ish  :duh.........DA was good and i'm at a loss why it didnt pick up even a little :dunno...........have got the flowmashers back on now and i'm not sure when i'll get to take it back up there since i have super secret to tinker with and another car project that is slurpin up money as we speak..........hopefully get back up there in  3/4 weeks and try and at least get back in the 9.0's *sigh*


But we will get in the 8's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





I keep saying that and going backwards lol


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on January 06, 2016, 01:54:50 pm
Couple things I thought about. Your Tarrus fan and charging system.

Is your fan on during a pass? I have a WOT switch that shuts mine down.

When you did the electric fan, did you do any charging system upgrades?

Did you use a regular underdrive pulley or your racin pulley?


I ask all of these as related questions. If you're try to run that fan during a pass with a 2G charging system and smaller pulley, you are likely starving the ignition and fuel systems for power.

When my MK-VIII fan starts or stops, it makes a noticeable change in the engine tone. I even hear the fuel pump change tone. I see this on my car and it has a modified 130 amp 3G.

Just something to think about.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on January 06, 2016, 04:00:41 pm
Juiced that is a brilliant idea with the fan. I've wired them where I can have them run whenever I want with a switch and otherwise run in auto mode. Never thought about the alternator/voltage drain.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on January 07, 2016, 08:00:37 am
Fan is off when making runs as it is a strain on the system like you thought.....doesnt run hot in this weather anyway, i click it on in the shutdown area and run the van (and all my cars) as little as possible in staging etc. to keep'em cool....just weird it didnt pick up any..........thought it might be lean from the bullets so i upped the fuel pressure (44 to 46) after the first pass and it slowed....went down to 42 and it slowed some more and it pinged a hair on the last one so i went back to 44 and took a degree or so of timing out......then a grudge car wrecked and it was 7:30 so i decided to head out.....did bring cardboard and tape for the grill but i was so far away from the 8's i didnt try it lol.............


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on January 09, 2016, 08:15:54 pm
I've got the bellmouth for the grill opened up, picked up another explorer upper, going to cut that open tomorrow, should have that back together for the next time I'm over that way, along with that lower.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on January 09, 2016, 08:42:33 pm
mmmmmnnnn................experimentation makes me hungry :drink............................just need the weather to cooperate :rant


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on January 13, 2016, 10:28:34 am
Well saturday got rained out but i made a executive last minute decision to go late sunday as they decided to run and i had put the flowsmashers back on...............on the road beastin it up!

(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/track.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/track.jpg.html)

Got there and is was basically deserted lol............swapped tires, threw my garage sale out on the turf and hit the lanes........
9.06@74.4
9.11@74.1

Pretty much back where i started............then a craft project broke out.........all i could think of was how proud juiced would be!
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/4eb50bcc-706d-4f49-99b1-e9636aacfe19.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/4eb50bcc-706d-4f49-99b1-e9636aacfe19.jpg.html)

Until it ran a 9.15@73.9 :bang................dang! Another ace up my sleeve that didnt work..........tore the craft project up and 9.12@74 :dissap:

Cooled it down and another pass yielded a 9.36 (spun)@73.45 and a hot lap 9.12@74...........let it cool a little and my last 2 were
9.12@74
9.10@73.9

Sssooooooo............guess i'll try it again when Dave gets the super exploder intake polished up :drink


Had fun didnt break anything and put 8 more laps on the hardest working 302 at the track :burnout


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on January 13, 2016, 01:00:17 pm
9.06, so ooooo close!


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on January 13, 2016, 01:31:05 pm
Sssooooooo............guess i'll try it again when Dave gets the super exploder intake polished up :drink

If that doesn't work it's time to slap some go fast parts stickers on it and get crazy with the sawzall.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on January 13, 2016, 02:04:35 pm
Pretty much back where i started............then a craft project broke out.........all i could think of was how proud juiced would be!
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/4eb50bcc-706d-4f49-99b1-e9636aacfe19.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/4eb50bcc-706d-4f49-99b1-e9636aacfe19.jpg.html)

Until it ran a 9.15@73.9 :bang................dang! Another ace up my sleeve that didnt work..........tore the craft project up and 9.12@74 :dissap:

Well, it was worth a shot.

But I did notice something. Where is the headlight ram air system? I know the traditional lights are harder to remove, but this is about pride.

But all this makes me wonder how much more your fuel system can support, mainly the 14# injectors.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on January 13, 2016, 06:15:20 pm
Well, it was worth a shot.

But I did notice something. Where is the headlight ram air system? I know the traditional lights are harder to remove, but this is about pride.

But all this makes me wonder how much more your fuel system can support, mainly the 14# injectors.
See that little hole over towards the D/S headlight...
I've got a bellmouth that we can ziptie to the grill with a larger inlet pipe, and maybe will bring my 80MM-R throttle body to borrow once I get the engine out of MIB. I've also got a zip saw to remove any offending sheetmetal that might get in the way of the inlet pipe  :drink


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on January 13, 2016, 06:37:17 pm


Well, it was worth a shot.

But I did notice something. Where is the headlight ram air system? I know the traditional lights are harder to remove, but this is about pride.

But all this makes me wonder how much more your fuel system can support, mainly the 14# injectors.

Yeah i was hoping for a little........i found the old car craft mag and they picked up a tenth in the 1/4 and a mph or so...it was a old 273 belvedere running 18's lol...............

Yeah my peekaboo grill hole holds the ram air but that is being looked at also.................its also got 19#'s...fancy 4-hole ones also  :pimp


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on January 13, 2016, 06:51:41 pm
I don't feel like reading back. Did you ever say if you had some 1.7's to throw on it?


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on January 13, 2016, 07:21:08 pm
What about removing the bumpers? They are only required by law for passenger cars which tells me you don't need them. Pretty good weight savings there. Makes it look more ghetto too!

What about the side mirrors? Weight and aerodynamic savings.

What about replacing the glass with plexiglass? Not that hard, costs a little and saves a decent amount of weight.

Fiberglass hood? They are out there and cost about $100. Most have a scoop.

Insulate the air intake ducting all the way up to the TB with thermotec and create a true cold air intake. Every 10^F that you lower the air intake temp gains you 1% HP....or so I have read.

Insulate the header primaries with thermotec.

Try a 160^ thermostat.

Relocate the battery to the rear.





Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: gmatt9858 on January 13, 2016, 07:27:54 pm
There used to be a member here who once mentioned putting a  rheostat in the water temp circuit tricking the computer into thinking the temp was lower. Any merit to that idea?


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on January 13, 2016, 08:02:34 pm
There used to be a member here who once mentioned putting a  rheostat in the water temp circuit tricking the computer into thinking the temp was lower. Any merit to that idea?

I don't speak from first hand experience, but I believe the eec4 computer has more "aggressive" fuel tables and timing curve the lower the coolant temp and this can help from a performance standpoint. Tricking the computer? Not sure how that would work. But I have heard that more performance can be had with 160^ and 180^ thermostats relative to the stock 195^.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on January 13, 2016, 08:23:16 pm
What about removing the thermostat all together? You guys thinking of keeping it in closed loop "choke"  mode?


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: z-adamson on January 14, 2016, 11:29:21 am
What about removing the thermostat all together? You guys thinking of keeping it in closed loop "choke"  mode?

Bad idea. You want a certain amount of heat for performance and to minimize wear and tear. What is the "perfect operating temp"? That is debatable and depends on vehicle use. Me personally, I like 180^ in my 347.

Some have good luck with a restrictor instead of a stat though.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on January 14, 2016, 08:48:32 pm
I mentioned the rack/bumper removal and got this........................
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/e2cae9a1-b6ef-4822-bbea-385f8a7b0405.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/e2cae9a1-b6ef-4822-bbea-385f8a7b0405.jpg.html)

pretty sure that meant my restricted "parking that POS in the driveway sometimes" permit would be revoked permanently, you know how women get when they turn 40 :dunno

Thats a negatory on the 1.7's ghostrider.............just waitin on the majikstik to be popped outta Davids turd :burnout

Has a 180* t-stat and the battery has been moved mid-ship, racks are 31lbs for the pair...........still may try the bumper, the rear is welded in place with a homebrewed reese hitch so its no bueno  but the front is doable, maybe at the track......i'll pop it off this weekend and see what it weighs :wonder:


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on January 15, 2016, 06:53:51 am
Thats a negatory on the 1.7's ghostrider.............just waitin on the majikstik to be popped outta Davids turd :burnout
I've got a set of 1.7 cobra rockers too...... :pimp


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on January 16, 2016, 12:03:40 am
I think she's not happy you haven't hit an 8.9x yet.  :dunno


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on January 16, 2016, 12:24:32 am
What about removing the bumpers? They are only required by law for passenger cars which tells me you don't need them. Pretty good weight savings there. Makes it look more ghetto too!

What about the side mirrors? Weight and aerodynamic savings.

What about replacing the glass with plexiglass? Not that hard, costs a little and saves a decent amount of weight.

Fiberglass hood? They are out there and cost about $100. Most have a scoop.

Insulate the air intake ducting all the way up to the TB with thermotec and create a true cold air intake. Every 10^F that you lower the air intake temp gains you 1% HP....or so I have read.

Insulate the header primaries with thermotec.

Try a 160^ thermostat.

Relocate the battery to the rear.





Who woke this guy up?   :burnout


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: al2 on January 16, 2016, 08:47:27 am
Small shot of nitrous would wake it up!


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: jayh on January 16, 2016, 01:17:38 pm
I don't have any o2 sensors to stay in open loop

but I have a pms


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: SlickTang on January 16, 2016, 01:52:25 pm
Thats a negatory on the 1.7's ghostrider.............just waitin on the majikstik to be popped outta Davids turd :burnout
I've got a set of 1.7 cobra rockers too...... :pimp

Right there is your 8.9x!


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on February 12, 2016, 09:35:18 am
Well its time for an update on the van............i'm sure peoples lives are at a standstill waiting on this so with out further delay.......................

Our last outing wasnt so good, taping the grill and trying the flows again so i had been waiting on David to get the ported intake done......................little did i know he was actually working on a ARC reactor?
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/346032db-21a7-48c1-8243-393375e2526a.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/346032db-21a7-48c1-8243-393375e2526a.jpg.html)

It was delivered and bolted on that afternoon for racing the next day..............
first pass netted us a.............9.19@72.87...........holy sheepdip hide the razor blades!  A backup 9.26/.21 didnt improve the mood in the pits and we were doing some head scratching at this point :loser..............David suggested ditching the first bends in the CAI and it spit out a 9.15@73.72 and a 9.25.....

At this point i just went for broke and threw the bullets on for giggles...i mean if it aint fast it might as well be loud right?
9.07@73.69 wth? The bullets have been tried a few times but never made much difference till now sssoooo we tried a few back ups and played with timing and FP and got 9.13/.08/.14 for our troubles..............sigh, what a bummer, we just knew that intake was gonna push us over the edge....................we did get a free sausage dog at the end of the day :hmmmm:
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/sausage.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/sausage.jpg.html)

We discussed the days racing as always at ARBYS on the way home and tried to brainstorm (at least David and Mike did) some ideas to get this brick over the hump..............David suggested some 24lb inj's as a "what could it hurt?" idea and i just happened to have some magic beans laying around and i got my work on the next morning, i also ditched all the intake tubing and just decided to let the TB suck the hair off my legs when making a pass.......
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/24.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/24.jpg.html)

Next day was TNT also and the van was ready.................
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/van%20track.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/van%20track.jpg.html)

First pass outta the box was a 9.04@74.52 :yes:...........hey hey, we be making progress!
9.06 was next then threw the timing light on it................next pass...............
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/897.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/897.jpg.html)

VICTORY! I've never been so glad to get a slower timeslip lol....................hotlap 9.04 and then i texted David and he suggested a bump in FP.......................after a long cooldown.....................
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/894.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/894.jpg.html)

Bang!
All i needed was one more to seal the deal, thats our little "rule" in our group...gotta run 3 numbers........9.01 hotlap..............cooled it down and got another 8.97 and a 9.01 hotlap..............texted my chevy buddy with the news so he could eat some more 302 crow which he did like a good sport lol...........finished the night off with a 9.03 as they closed a little early......................

So for now the goal has been reached and i'm gonna let the van rest a little bit from racing, i've made 92 passes in it and i've got some mustang stuff to do but it'll be back with a cam swap and maybe a few other little things searching for 8.70's lol...........................


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: dennis112 on February 12, 2016, 09:50:37 am
NICE! NICE! NICE!    :clap


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Jeff351w on February 12, 2016, 10:52:05 am
 :ban


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on February 12, 2016, 11:26:56 am
Our last outing wasnt so good, taping the grill and trying the flows again so i had been waiting on David to get the ported intake done......................little did i know he was actually working on a ARC reactor?
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/MrBlue008/346032db-21a7-48c1-8243-393375e2526a.jpg) (http://s765.photobucket.com/user/MrBlue008/media/346032db-21a7-48c1-8243-393375e2526a.jpg.html)
That is not the finished product by the way, I took that pic when I was still roughing it in, not that it's anymore cosmetically appealing, but at least the inlet is rounder, somewhat :drink, and the bolt through holes have been sleeved. He's just waiting on me to get the engine out of the LTD so he can get the cam from it, and try my 80MM-R throttle body. Of course that rebuilt shortblock from the LTD with some ported GT40's and the XE264 cam would really wake up ol' candy van.... :whistling: :pimp


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on February 12, 2016, 01:22:13 pm
Here's Rodney later that night :

http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7iQZ/glucerna-bull-riding-song-by-foghat


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on February 12, 2016, 02:12:39 pm
Yep.................pretty much...............not only is it slow its an auto :disgust:


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on February 12, 2016, 02:23:43 pm
Here's Rodney later that night :

http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7iQZ/glucerna-bull-riding-song-by-foghat
He needs to have a bottle of that on the dash when he makes a pass, and the neck brace we found in the junkyard.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on February 13, 2016, 03:30:21 am
We have a thread about taking the sister's Lambo out and I checked this one first.  Am I nuts or just a gear head?  :hmmmm:

Anyway, video or it never broke into the 8's.  :dunno  ;D


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Mr.Blue on February 13, 2016, 02:13:56 pm
Lol................our videographer doesnt come up there much and the stupid track doesnt show times cause of all the "grudge" guys :pimp

Just take my word for it lol :drink


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: juiced coupe on May 07, 2016, 11:09:10 pm
This just seems appropriate.

(http://sbftech.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=37837.0;attach=52478;image)


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on May 08, 2016, 01:16:19 am
Poke the eyes out of a first time offender child molester is my calling card if I were running for a political position. 


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: 289nate on May 08, 2016, 01:19:18 am
I'll rip my good arm off and beat you to death with it before I let you touch a child inappropriately.  And my bad arm is a mean SOB.


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: Jeff351w on May 08, 2016, 02:29:07 am
Amen, Amen.


Love the van though. 


Title: Re: Not a proven combo, just my van............wait, what?
Post by: David Claflin on May 08, 2016, 08:35:14 am
Post your updates to thing homeslice!! :ban