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Title: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 12:19:32 am
 Been busy and workin a lot. Getting  my engine together also. Getting heads worked in montana by CFM creek flow management. Got some photos to see also. Everything is pretty much mocked up and lloyd will finish up the heads for me and deporting  and working the air gap. The air gap 351 cleveland is kinda rough at outlets and will get worked pretty good for this application. these are before photos and once completed will have flow spec for this applicaiton and after photos.(http://[img][img][img][img])[/img][/img][/img][/img]


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 12:09:13 pm
400cj


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: woody on May 25, 2011, 12:23:04 pm
Holy crap, can you ask lloyd if he received some experimental heads from ford racing. They are C3 heads and they are casted with LCR Experimental, NOONE knows anything about them. They are mine at my shop, thanks


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 12:32:12 pm
 I was up their friday and didn't see anything cool like that laying around. But I do know lloyd can keep a secret if he wants to. He lives about 2 hrs from my house and not a bad drive. I was the only ford parts in the shop at the time. dropped off my block for mocking up and other prepwork. he works nights and has a weird schedule. He does some of his best work late at night when he's home. mad scientist kinda guy that works cylinder head stuff.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 12:39:09 pm
mighty mouse hyd rollers.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 12:41:16 pm
mighty mouse hyd rollers.
epoxy work in the beginning and trying to push the air flow to the top but the flow bench will tell the story and how it transitions from intake. Lloyd will be working this out for me.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: mighty mouse on May 25, 2011, 12:45:23 pm
Holy Port Stuffers!


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 12:52:44 pm
 Interesting port stuffers. Lloyd will be moving about a third out but this is the beginning stages and will see what happens. Once completed will get some more photos. Kinda having fun with this build and learning a few things along the way. Always learning something. Catch you later mightymouse.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 12:58:22 pm
oil control, Tim meyer cam bearings. crank at about .002 and restrictor in #1 for my application. Not a high rpm engine maybe 5500 at most.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 01:00:39 pm
oil control, Tim meyer cam bearings. crank at about .002 and restrictor in #1 for my application. Not a high rpm engine maybe 5500 at most.
melling oil pump checked clearance internal at .0025 and standard pump NOT a HV pump.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 01:26:24 pm
400 stuff


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 01:53:46 pm
1970 ford 4wd crew cab before soda blast. 5 speed zf tranny. 2009 leafs super duty and deaver coils up front and extended radius arms for better ride. Everything is pretty much mocked up with spare 400. gonna disassembled this weekend and get blasted and powder coated or painted as needed. gonna pull cab and finish welding out the frame and working crossmembers. Gonna be atleast a month or two to get completed. Want to get together before the snow flys in september. Work keeps pulling me out of my area and delaying progress.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 02:02:38 pm
my other play truck 472 big block ported flowed and other cool goodies. 1977 ford 4wd dana 60frt/70 rear air lockers, chromoly everthing internal. C-6 low gear kit and just about every mod that can be done to play in the snow hughes xtm43 converter and worked up some for durability. winches frt/rear. link suspension air bagged front. gets used heavily in spring snows breaking trail 5000' elevation to 10,000' elev. My huntin rig also.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 02:05:15 pm
my other play truck 472 big block ported flowed and other cool goodies. 1977 ford 4wd dana 60frt/70 rear air lockers, chromoly everthing internal. C-6 low gear kit and just about every mod that can be done to play in the snow hughes xtm43 converter and worked up some for durability. winches frt/rear. link suspension air bagged front. gets used heavily in spring snows breaking trail 5000' elevation to 10,000' elev. My huntin rig also.
top photo after huntin trip with 4wheelers can am renegade 800 quest 500. btm photo me/dad at about 9800' elev having a photo day.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 02:10:56 pm
 :party I'm a 6 banger today yeah!!


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: jtmustang on May 25, 2011, 02:15:44 pm
cool project ,im a old ford highboy guy myself, had a dozen or more thru the years.

beautiful country out there.. :smile


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 02:28:43 pm
  Found this crewcab headed to the crusher and bought if off the trailor. Gonna modernize it to be durable and reliable and run well. old iron with a mondern twist. Gonna get busy this weekend for sodablasting cab and body work. I'm not a drag racer but was a bogger guy back in the day. Just want this one to be a driver with some capabilities. Definetly gonna be a eye catcher once completed. If you go to www.offroaddesign.com and check out their crew cab gonna be a similiar build with smaller tires. Seen this truck at the ultimate adventure 2008 wyoming part of the tour. Its a chevy but built stout and reliable and fell in love with this concept. so now building me a ford version. A year of gathering pieces and now I'm building my ulitimate ford truck. catch you later and will keep updating as things progress.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: FivePointOhh on May 25, 2011, 02:30:24 pm
hey i'm looking into boggin soon, wondering if you'd be avail to pick your brain about something i should know about boggin?


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on May 25, 2011, 10:11:30 pm
 Bogger stuff. Always helped guys. Usually the engine stuff you have certain restiction. The trick is to trim the rotating weight off truck within guidelines per rules. More than on way to skin a cat they say.  :burnout


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on July 26, 2011, 02:08:27 am
hey guys still working project. My work has kept me away from home alot. making money but not much play time. Lloyd has finished my heads and will be picked up this week and hope to be assembled by end of august. gonna have to trust a friend to assemble this for me because my work is running me out of state for the past 3 months making bank but no play time. when I get home will get some photos on engine and some flow numbers. My 4wd builds are usually as critical as a dragster build by some people standard. I build for my situations and reliability. some of the places I play and run are remote and rough. catch you later and photos soon.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on October 09, 2011, 01:41:33 am
400 cj assembly.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on October 09, 2011, 01:52:55 am
work is killin my play time. getting things together.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on October 09, 2011, 01:59:33 am
400 ford assembly photos.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on October 09, 2011, 02:12:31 am
400 ford CJ assembly problems! windage tray and crankscraper MPGheads. it is designed for a shorter stroke engine. I tried several different ways to make work. really like scotts windage tray but no luck. shimmed out to max with his stud kit. but would have to do some serious grinding on windage tray to clear. Also had some different ARP studs for main supports. these worked but as I shimmed out to clear I would get into oil pump pickup tube clearance issues. so my original plan didn't go as planned. so I called Kevko racing and had them build me a custom midsump oil pan with all the windage and crank oil control mods into pan. should be here tuesday 12 oct. kevko pan with pickup $340.00. hopeing for factory 4wd pan and windage tray, around $100.00 bucks but no luck, ouch$$ on that learning curve. Need a pan that works on up hill and down hill applications. Ran off-road pans on steep grades and it pumped all my oil to front and starved rear sump and has to shut down. gage was a bouncing with a 8qt pan. so to correct was to build a midsump to correct this possible issue. when on steep down hills (30 degrees to 40 degrees) for long periods it will pump all your oil to front in down hill. not you normal situation but in my mountain world it happens often.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on October 09, 2011, 02:21:57 am
misc photos of componets


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on October 09, 2011, 02:27:28 am
more stuff!


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: Hayden123 on October 12, 2011, 07:59:24 pm
Filled 4V's.....   :o      Am surprised there has been no comments from the gallery....

Looks like he's used devcon?    I like to give any port filling a coat of POR fuel tank sealer as a prevention against fuel attacking the filler over time..... seems to work well. 


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on October 15, 2011, 12:13:36 am
 the under side is studded also for the epoxy.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on October 15, 2011, 12:16:57 am
 My head guy is a very smart guy when dealing with these issues. Lloyd creek pretty smart head cutter. If he says its a good thing I go with it. He has all the tools to do what he needs to do.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on November 28, 2011, 12:28:58 am
 the engine is done. I had Kevko racing build me a oil pan also. its a midsump for 4wd. it has all the goodies trap doors and crank scrapers and baffling needed. I can't us a rear sump because of my downhill, will starve a engine for oil on steep grades. got with kevko racing and built a custom one of a kind 4wd pan for my application. even built in room to get to torque converter bolts between engine and tranny. will have a photo soon. my camera took a crap and deleted all my photos of internals of this oil  pan. modern technology is killin me.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on November 28, 2011, 02:21:41 pm
400 ford cj, airgap intake 351 cleveland, price motorsports spacer plates. waiting on some bluethunder cleveland valvecover still. non available at the moment. kevko custom midsump with all the cool stuff inside you need for up hill and downhill issues of oil control. its been done for awhile but just been busy and finally got some pictures. gonna run a quickfuel 750 annular for now but have quick fuel build a 850 annular vacume secondary carb. Gonna be a nice piece.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: jtmustang on November 28, 2011, 03:15:53 pm
Cool..looks good..is the truck ready for all the new found power...


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on November 28, 2011, 11:37:59 pm
yes the truck is ready. boxed the frame and will be a roll cage built into the process. kinda pre runner truck with some haulin capabilities. dana 70 rear and everything will be chromoly axles. lots of nice little pieces coming together slowly. hoping to get truck to paint this weekend. still got some issues with a back door thats kickin my azz. bodywork is a pain. not my speciality but can do decent work. truck was kind of a basket case but worth saving. persistance will prevail. happy with the engine but thinking I will go bigger cam down the road?


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on December 24, 2011, 02:08:32 am
1970 4wd crewcab. getting ready to mock up engine to this truck. engine never came in truck so everything has to be custom fabbed. new engine mounts and tranny mounts this weekend. merry christmas to me.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on December 24, 2011, 02:10:20 am
forgot to mention took front clip off to do engine mounts begin christmas eve morning.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: jtmustang on December 24, 2011, 02:44:14 am
Cool..don't see many crew cab's especially the 67-72's

Makes me miss all of the old highboys i  had, some day i'll grab another..

Have a good christmas.... :party


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on December 24, 2011, 10:48:17 pm
this old truck is gettin updated. nice engine and other mods. the suspension has 2010 superduty leafs and will have a gooseneck setup also. pulled front leafs out and upgraded to a coil suspension. deaver coilsprings and many other upgrades. zf tranny overdrive in old iron. gonna be updating the interior also with some moder seats and whatever i can find. the 2009 rear seats look like they can fit with some fab work also. gonna go with vintage air for AC and heat down the road. she'll be a cruiser and one of a kind. this truck will get used and driven often and not a show pony. this is a wyoming mountain truck. got some axle upgrades happening also.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on December 24, 2011, 10:56:33 pm
 i actually found this cab setting on a trailor getting ready to go to a scrap yard. near death situation for this truck. it needed a lot of work and still needs more but its in pretty good shape now and will get another coat of paint on it after engine/tranny done. keepin old iron alive one ford at a time.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: Brian S on January 05, 2012, 10:34:01 pm
Sorry I've been away for so long. Just catching up on the old posts.

Filled 4V's.....   :o      Am surprised there has been no comments from the gallery....

I was thinking the same thing. Unfortunately I don't think port matching or port stuffing necessarily translates to an increase in power. I'd rather spend my hard earned $$ elsewhere.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: HIGHVOLTJ on March 11, 2013, 05:48:49 pm
Any updates Wyo 4x4?  How's the weather over there in Sheridan?

You don't have any pics of Tim's #1 cam bearing installed, do you?  I want to make sure mine is right, seems weird that one of the oil holes uncovers the oil passage going to the distributor gear.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: Brent Clay on March 11, 2013, 08:26:02 pm
Filled 4V's.....   :o      Am surprised there has been no comments from the gallery....

Looks like he's used devcon?    I like to give any port filling a coat of POR fuel tank sealer as a prevention against fuel attacking the filler over time..... seems to work well. 

I will speak up here!  I am not questioning anyones work or what they feel works, (in this case prot stuffer)

 I will add this; I am friends with one of the best Cleveland head Guru's around.  His knowledge goes back to the early days of the Cleveland heads with Dyno Don and Ford Motor Company.  I will never forget his quote "Never let a Chevy Guy near a Cleveland head, they will screw them up"  Cleveland heads will not repsond well to a normal port job and most people who try and prot them end up ruining the flow characteristics. 

Cleveland heads can work very well they way they are, and even better with minor cleanup!  CAMSHAFT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND TOO MANY GUYS SCREW THIS UP TOO. 

I wish I knew more about clevelands when I was younger, I would have built nothing but Cleveland base motors.  Its nice having a friend around with the history and knowledge on Cleveland heads.

What works on an inline head or even a Chevy, will Never work on a Cleveland!  So, I guess I dont understand the port stuffers, when I see stock Celveland heads run extremely well without them!

Brent


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: CDW6212R on March 11, 2013, 10:15:02 pm
I applaud the effort here for the whole truck. The work looks great.

I am an old Cleveland guy, but I only got to build a couple of them. I did collect some parts in the mid 80's, including a 69 Mustang I wanted to create a Boss 408 for.

That didn't happen, but I do still have most of the parts. I have a 400 block with four bolt mains(Milodon) and screw in freeze plugs(the project). The shop closed and somehow the crank got lost. Back then there was no choice for rod bolts, only Pioneer made a set. 400 bolts were the longest of any engine, and SPS did not make them. So I have polished stock rods with bushed ends for heavy TRW 351C pistons, and Pioneer bolts.

I chose a 351 Torker intake for mine, and of course guessed at a cam(still new in the box(Crower 236/242)). I have Weiand intake adapter plates, which didn't seem to fit very well. Any 351W stroker these days would beat a typical mild 400, but Cleveland heads can make a difference.

They have the best smallblock valve covers too. :rock


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on March 04, 2016, 01:44:25 am
 Been several yrs since I have been on here! The engine runs great! Fuel injected fast 2.0, zf 5 speed upgrade! 4v 408" 400 ford. Many upgrades! Have made several trips across USA. Wyoming to Houston and several other long runs!


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wywindsor on March 04, 2016, 07:39:50 am
Looks like you found the place again.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on March 04, 2016, 09:32:56 am
Yes will be checking back in! Have a new truck to build! will start a new thread for that. I'm a truck guy, cars don't do so good in the winter on the mountain. Very pleased with my 408" learning the fast system and a few issues along the way but all is good.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: HIGHVOLTJ on March 20, 2016, 01:11:33 pm
How about some updates and pictures!  I'm interested in fuel infecting my '77. How's your mileage?


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: 289nate on March 20, 2016, 01:41:41 pm
Love the early crew cabs.  Would be great to hear how this turned out and get some pictures


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on March 21, 2016, 09:37:47 am
400 4v heads in 4wd application! Runs great! Doesn't lug down like a smaller port engine would. 2200rpm is about as low as you can go with a load! Will be doing another cam soon. Mpg heads Scott will cut can for me. I went to conservative on first cam! Runs well but can get some lift according to Scott! Shoulda listen to Scott first time! Fast 2.0 works well! 4v heads and fuel mileage don't go in same sentence! 8 to 10mpg! The truck hauls azz! 4.10 and 33" tire, 140mph is not a problem in this ole crew! Will go faster but have some steering issues that will be corrected next weekend with AGR performance hyd steering assist and upgraded steering box and new hi flow pump, Saginaw. Fast 2.0 this truck seems to like around 12.0 wide open throttle to 12.2 with air fuel ratio. Have a 5speed zf behind 400. Will be going to 35" tire with 4.10. Soon! The truck is driven often and worked! Enjoy driving and all the thumbs up from fellow truck guys! Been to Oklahoma , Texas twice now! Was in Gainesville tx couple weeks ago at AGR performance!


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: wyoming4x4 on March 21, 2016, 12:07:03 pm
Been looking at the new Quickfuel injection system kinda cool! Holley looking good!


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: 289nate on March 22, 2016, 01:53:27 am
Love it!  Post some pictures when you have a chance so I can convince the wife the Mustang needs to be towed to the track by a period correct truck instead of our dirtymax chebby.


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: HIGHVOLTJ on March 22, 2016, 10:35:55 pm
I've been looking at FiTech. Reasonably priced with all the features of msd/Holley etc


Title: Re: 400cj truck engine
Post by: CDW6212R on March 24, 2016, 08:38:28 pm
400 4v heads in 4wd application! Runs great! Doesn't lug down like a smaller port engine would. 2200rpm is about as low as you can go with a load! Will be doing another cam soon. Mpg heads Scott will cut can for me. I went to conservative on first cam! Runs well but can get some lift according to Scott! Shoulda listen to Scott first time! Fast 2.0 works well! 4v heads and fuel mileage don't go in same sentence! 8 to 10mpg! The truck hauls azz! 4.10 and 33" tire, 140mph is not a problem in this ole crew! Will go faster but have some steering issues that will be corrected next weekend with AGR performance hyd steering assist and upgraded steering box and new hi flow pump, Saginaw. Fast 2.0 this truck seems to like around 12.0 wide open throttle to 12.2 with air fuel ratio. Have a 5speed zf behind 400. Will be going to 35" tire with 4.10. Soon! The truck is driven often and worked! Enjoy driving and all the thumbs up from fellow truck guys! Been to Oklahoma , Texas twice now! Was in Gainesville tx couple weeks ago at AGR performance!

Good to hear, strong running old Fords. I've got to(want to) work on my old 72/73 Ranchero again.

BTW, how much do they want for those AGR PS boxes now? I have one that I bought built with quick ratio, the good NASCAR Saginaw boxes. I stuck it in my truck but never got to use it. Now I'm planning to chop the front frame to put in an 03-06 Crown Vic frame/suspension. I could sell that Saginaw box at a some point.