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Title: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 11, 2009, 12:01:43 pm
UPDATE:

I thought it prudent to list the hard parts on page 1 of this build for ease of reference:

Front Suspension:
Team Z Tubular  K member(1" drop) and Tubular A arms (standard)
Strange Coil Overs and Strange 10 way adjustable front struts
Team Z caster camber plates - steel
Maximum Motorsports subframe connectors
Modified 1995 Mustang GT Spindles
Aerospace front "drag" brakes
Moroso 3" long 1/2x20 wheel studs
Russell Braided Brake Lines

Rear Suspension:
Team Z built 8.8 Differential w/ 9" ends and 5/8" studs
Strange SS 33 spline axles
Eaton 33 spline Posi
Ford Racing 11" rear disc brake kit
Ford Racing 3.55 gears
LPW Girdle
Team Z Relocated Rear Upper Control Arms
Team Z single adjustable Lower Control Arms.
Cut stock Mustang GT coil springs.
Lakewood 50/50 Shocks
Upper and Lower UMI Torque box reinforcements

Transmission:
Tremec TKO600 - Liberty Faceplated
Spec Stage III clutch
Anderson Ford Hi-Rev Alum Flywheel
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter

ENGINE:                     
Ford Shortblock machined by FORDSTROKERS         
Dart Sportsman 9.5 Deck Block            
Wiesco 4.155 Forged Pistons            
RPM H-Beam Connecting Rods/ARP2000 bolts         
4340 4Ē Stroke Forged Crankshaft
Powerbond SFI 18.1 Balancer            
Moroso 7 qt Oil Pan                  
Bullet Custom Billet Solid Roller Camshaft      
Comp Cams Link Bar Solid Roller Lifters               
Comp Cams Billet Roller Timing Chain         
Harland Sharp Shaft Rocker Arms               
Trick Flow 240cc High Port Heads, ported by Duane Busch
Edelbrock Super Victor EFI intake -4500 pad, ported by Duane Busch      
2250 CFM Billet Dominator Throttle Body            
Extreme Velocity Dominator Carb Bonnet   
Mezerie 55gph Electric Water Pump

FUEL SYSTEM:
Aeromotive 340lph intank primary fuel pump
Aeromotive A1000 external secondary fuel pump
Holley Fuel Pressure Regulator
Vortech Fuel Rails
Trick Flow 120# injectors

ELECTRONICS:
Holley HP EFI System
PA Performance 200 Amp Alternator
Nitrous Relay Board
Auto Meter Gauges
Mallory HyFire Buzz Box
Firecore ignition wires
MSD HVC II Coil w/ a Speed Doctor Bracket



The car entered my hands on the 4th of July in 1998.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/01-07-05.jpg)

The goals of the car have changed many times over the years, but I have finally decided on a final goal for the car - go as fast down the 1/4 mile as I can without making the car unstreetable.

In stock form the car weighed 3660 # with a full tank of gas and my ass in the seat.

I have since added:

A reasonably built little 306
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/03-06-08012.jpg)

Bullit Wheels
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/March1120062.jpg)

A fiberglass 4" cowl hood and Cervini decklid
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/July10-Sidewhood.jpg)

A 6 point roll bar setup
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/100_0926.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/100_0932.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/100_0921.jpg)

A Team Z tubular front suspension
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/index.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/indexa.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/kmemberinstalled2.jpg)

A Team Z built 8.8 rear end and tubular rear suspension
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/100_1036.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/100_1034.jpg)

This brought my race weight total to 3620# with a full interior and tank of gas going down the 1/4.  With the Canfield 195, basic 306, TKO carbed setup it ran a best of 12.03 at 109.87 mph.  At a different drag day I did hit 111.xx mph but never got a clean pass.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/SBFTechDay-ByronIL-0920080871.jpg)

COMBO INFORMATION
Provided by: Mighty Mouse

01. Block
  • Displacement: 306
  • CR: 9:1
02. Heads
  • Brand: Canfield
  • Model: 195
  • Ported?: Thumper of Orange Park
03. Camshaft (If the camshaft is custom, NOT providing this information is understandable, and expected)
  • Brand: Camshaft Innovations - Jay Allen
  • Grind Number/Model:
  • Int./Exh. Duration @.050": 218/230
  • Int./Exh. Lift: .577/.580" @1.6 ratio
  • Lobe Separation Angle:  115
04. Induction
  • Carbureted/EFI: carbed
  • Intake: Funnelweb chinese rip off
  • Carb/Injector Size: 780 Holley (proform center) built by me
  • Throttle Body Size:
05. Tuner: nobody yet
06. Exhaust
  • Style: Kooks 1 3/4" Long Tubes - spike collectors
  • Diameter:
  • Catted:
  • "X" or "H": none/b]
  • Mufflers: none
07. Power Adder: NO
08. Transmission
  • Manual/Auto: Manual
  • Model: Tremec TKO 600
  • Plate/Clutch: Centerforce "Stage II"
  • Converter Stall: my right foot
09. Gears
  • Style: 8.8"
  • Ratio: 4.30
  • Differential Style: Eaton Custom Posi - 35 spline Strange
10. Rear Suspension Setup: Team Z Relocated uppers and adjustable lowers, w/ Anti roll bar
11. Front Suspension Setup : Team Z Tubular w/ Strange Coil Overs and adj. struts
12. Tires: 245/45/17 - stock Goodyear Gatorbacks front 28 x 10.5 MT ETs on rear
13. Car Weight: 3620 lbs. w/ driver


Time Slip:
  • 60ft.:
  • 330ft:
  • 1/8th ET:
  • 1/8th MPH:
  • 1000:
  • 1/4 ET: 12.03
  • 1/4 MPH: 109.87mph
Dyno Data:
  • FWHP:
  • FWTQ:
  • RWHP:
  • RWTQ:

COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS:


This thread will highlight my engine changes and diet for the lead sled I am trying to move down track.

I will update the thread when I update the car.

UPDATE:

List of Hard Parts used on the car for others reference.



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on February 11, 2009, 06:05:06 pm
 :smile


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: N8Miller on February 11, 2009, 06:55:08 pm
this is a very fantastic step-by-step write up.... very nice car!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Is1BadFord on February 12, 2009, 05:17:50 pm
Here's my subscription man.  I remember when you guys did the cage lol...those welds were spotless!

Good to see you've got the thing moving, last I saw it you were having major clutch issues and couldn't get any clean numbers.

Cris  :smile


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 12, 2009, 05:21:27 pm
I need to get some new pictures of the completed stuff.

I just got the car out of storage and will be doing lightweight bumpers, removing Hvac and other unnecessary crap (like back seat etc) to lighten the load.  I will also be installing upper tq. box reinforcements.

Should be fun.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fs308 on February 13, 2009, 11:48:12 am
i still cant imagine it weighs that much with the team z stuff on there.  however i guess the cage added whatever weight you lost


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 13, 2009, 11:49:29 am
i still cant imagine it weighs that much with the team z stuff on there.  however i guess the cage added whatever weight you lost

That and the wheels are very very heavy.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 15, 2009, 01:43:19 pm
Yesterday my buddy and I began removing the Hvac from the car.  I have yet to weigh it, but if it is under 40#s I would be surprised.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 93lxcoupe5.0 on February 15, 2009, 03:21:53 pm
Subscribing to this one.  Sweet car.  I didn't like the foureyed stangs before.  Maybe its an aquired taste, like beer.  you have to learn to love it.

Going on a diet? That looks like every bit of 40#'s.  I am interested in this, I think I may be doing the same thing soon.

Alan


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Is1BadFord on February 15, 2009, 10:49:56 pm
I didn't like the foureyed stangs before.  Maybe its an aquired taste, like beer.  you have to learn to love it.

This is the truth lol.  I was the SAME way...then they just sort of grew on me.

This one certainly helped =D.

Cris


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on February 16, 2009, 11:52:37 pm
  I will also be installing upper tq. box reinforcements.
Do you know what kind you'll be getting? I put some UMI plates in the LTD, pretty easy to do and they certainly seem like they'll make those areas stronger.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 17, 2009, 09:55:35 am
  I will also be installing upper tq. box reinforcements.
Do you know what kind you'll be getting? I put some UMI plates in the LTD, pretty easy to do and they certainly seem like they'll make those areas stronger.

The same.  The lowers are already installed, and they fit well.  Make sure you remove the rubber plug above the boxed portion of the lower control arms before install.  Since I have a convertible, I have a lot of "bracing" to remove before I can install my uppers (like 50 rivets).  I then need to decide if that "bracing" will go back on or into the scrap heap.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: maverick5.0 on February 17, 2009, 10:25:15 am
I love the quad headlights models !!!! and all the LX coupes...v8 5speeds :rock


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 19, 2009, 07:46:47 pm
The HVAC and assorted supporting crap came in at a touch over 38lbs.

Here is a shot of what will be replacing the front and rear bumpers.  They are chrome moly and weigh about 4lbs each.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on February 19, 2009, 10:04:08 pm
nice 4 eye indeed there       :ban

so what times are u trying to reach with her..


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 19, 2009, 10:10:10 pm
10s or blow it up trying...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on February 19, 2009, 10:18:53 pm
n/a with the same motor or something else in the works.....or.... :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 19, 2009, 10:24:07 pm
n/a with the same motor or something else in the works.....or.... :dunno

well... I have not made up my mind...

The Canfields are gone, so the heads will change.  I do have a Sniper NOS setup I could throw on as well...

We shall see


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on February 20, 2009, 01:35:53 am
so has someones been doing some shopping............cough cough    tea tw 205's  cough  ... :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 20, 2009, 09:42:46 am
so has someones been doing some shopping............cough cough    tea tw 205's  cough  ... :dunno

For how "ginormous" the internet is, it sure is a small place.   :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 20, 2009, 09:46:51 am
n/a with the same motor or something else in the works.....or.... :dunno

This is what I am currently thinking - but this may change.

HiPo Block
Woody 347
12:1 compression (as E85 is everywhere around me)
CI Solid Roller
TEA/TFS 205 CNC heads
Super Victor
E85 Big Bad Holley
1 7/8 Kooks headers

Its should be fun...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on February 21, 2009, 12:17:27 am

For how "ginormous" the internet is, it sure is a small place.   :naughty:
[/quote]



i knowbig ass internet and i ran into it over there..

that looks to be quite a little setup ...hi po block?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on February 21, 2009, 12:55:14 am
289 HiPo block right?  Should be a little strong than a Mexican block since they were checked for higher nickel content and have very similar if not the same thick main caps.  Would selling it to the restoration crowd get you close to an entry level big bore block?

You'll certainly have the potential to run 10's.  Sounds like a nice build.  What weight do you hope to get the 'vert down to in the end?  Is 12:1 about the limit with E85 for your application.  I'd try to milk the compression for every last bit with your somewhat heavy car.  Wish they had the stuff everywhere out here.  It basically doesn't exist around here.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on February 21, 2009, 01:08:46 am
i thought u cant/shouldnt... :dunno...use  a 289 block for 302 and up stuff  ... :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on February 21, 2009, 01:10:54 am
Why not? :???


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on February 21, 2009, 01:25:05 am
well for one i know the 289 has a shorter cylinder skirt as they had a shorter stroke than a 302 so i dont think u want to be shoving a longer stroke than a 289 in a 289 block it would seem to me....


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on February 21, 2009, 08:17:32 am
well for one i know the 289 has a shorter cylinder skirt as they had a shorter stroke than a 302 so i dont think u want to be shoving a longer stroke than a 289 in a 289 block it would seem to me....

what about a 347 stroker isnt that a longer stroke than the stock 302? :dunno see my point
with what your saying here anything larger than stock stroke in a stock block 289 is a :nono2:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on February 21, 2009, 08:27:20 am
well for one i know the 289 has a shorter cylinder skirt as they had a shorter stroke than a 302 so i dont think u want to be shoving a longer stroke than a 289 in a 289 block it would seem to me....

Ive seen 289/347 conversions do quite well.........The new Boss blocks have shorter cylinders too :hmmmm: ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on February 21, 2009, 08:30:55 am
Nathan your car is pretty sick bro.....Ive always had a "thing" for 4 eyed drop tops. :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 21, 2009, 09:57:26 am
Nathan your car is pretty sick bro.....Ive always had a "thing" for 4 eyed drop tops. :naughty:

Thanks Rich.

When I go to the races and car shows I always see nice coupes and hatches... I NEVER see really fast convertibles....

Just my way of being different.


You'll certainly have the potential to run 10's.  Sounds like a nice build.  What weight do you hope to get the 'vert down to in the end?  Is 12:1 about the limit with E85 for your application.  I'd try to milk the compression for every last bit with your somewhat heavy car.  Wish they had the stuff everywhere out here.  It basically doesn't exist around here.

I hope to get the car in the 3100-3200 range going down track.  The verts have extra floor pans, all kinds of bracing, a heavy top etc... I am doing what I can.

12:1 is about the NA limit for the summer E85....Its only 1.50 a gallon around here, so it sure beats $5 114 race gas...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on February 21, 2009, 11:02:24 am
12:1 is about the NA limit for the summer E85

E85 is less detonation-prone than Unleaded 91 Octane?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on February 21, 2009, 11:09:39 am
well for one i know the 289 has a shorter cylinder skirt as they had a shorter stroke than a 302 so i dont think u want to be shoving a longer stroke than a 289 in a 289 block it would seem to me....

Have you measured the difference?  Yes it has a shorter stroke.  Are you saying that automatically means the skirt was shorter?  This is actually a very hotly debated topic with the 289 block.  The vast majority I've heard from who've measured the difference found none including a good friend of mine.  Some have measure and found the skirt to be a little shorter.  My guess is that possibly the very early 5 bolt bell 289's might have had a shorter skirt.  But, most 289 blocks are the same as a 302 in the skirt.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 21, 2009, 11:13:50 am
If memory serves the 260 had a shorter skirt, the 289 blocks were a different casting.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 21, 2009, 11:14:53 am
12:1 is about the NA limit for the summer E85

E85 is less detonation-prone than Unleaded 91 Octane?

Depending on the blend (summer, winter) its as high as 112 octane.  Its alcohol, so it is way less detonation prone.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gmkillr on February 21, 2009, 11:22:06 am
I'm highly considering setting up my new fuel system to run on E85.
I need to talk to Glenn first and get his thoughts............ :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 24, 2009, 12:55:51 pm
I am now leaning heavily to the following:

Boss or Dart Block 302
Forged pistons
forged rods
treated 2m crank
all studded up

TFS/TEA 205cnc heads
Super Vic intake
Blow through carb
CI solid roller cam

20+ psi intercooled turbo

That should give me whip lash...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gtvert90 on February 24, 2009, 02:30:26 pm
I am now leaning heavily to the following:

Boss or Dart Block 302
Forged pistons
forged rods
treated 2m crank
all studded up

TFS/TEA 205cnc heads
Super Vic intake
Blow through carb
CI solid roller cam

20+ psi intercooled turbo

That should give me whip lash...
:jawdrop:

thats going to be sick. Can't wait


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on February 25, 2009, 12:18:48 am
I am now leaning heavily to the following:

Boss or Dart Block 302
Forged pistons
forged rods
treated 2m crank
all studded up

TFS/TEA 205cnc heads
Super Vic intake
Blow through carb
CI solid roller cam

20+ psi intercooled turbo

That should give me whip lash...


 

:jawdrop:

um yeah that should indeed give u a slight whiplash and to sa ythe least hual some balls...

that um..should easily get u into the 10'sss.... :ban


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on February 25, 2009, 01:06:24 am
I don't see why you wouldn't go forced induction with E85 at the pump.  That much boost will get you moving pretty dang good!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gmkillr on February 25, 2009, 09:18:22 am
I am now leaning heavily to the following:

Boss or Dart Block 302
Forged pistons
forged rods
treated 2m crank
all studded up

TFS/TEA 205cnc heads
Super Vic intake
Blow through carb
CI solid roller cam

20+ psi intercooled turbo

That should give me whip lash...

Hell yeah! :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 01, 2009, 05:52:29 pm
My brother in law and I had a good chat about this turbo plan.

We both agree that it would be a better idea to go with a 9.5 Windsor block instead of an 8.2.

Everything else will stay the same, but it will be about 360 cubes in a bigger/stronger wrapper.

We are planning on beginning this build near the 1st of April.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on March 01, 2009, 09:22:27 pm
dart/man o' war block or stock windsor block..... :dunno




and thats gonna be one hell of a upgrade from the previous motor..... :rock


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gmkillr on March 02, 2009, 03:19:27 am
My brother in law and I had a good chat about this turbo plan.

We both agree that it would be a better idea to go with a 9.5 Windsor block instead of an 8.2.

Everything else will stay the same, but it will be about 360 cubes in a bigger/stronger wrapper.

We are planning on beginning this build near the 1st of April.


April's Fool's day............................ :hmmmm:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Is1BadFord on March 02, 2009, 03:20:40 am
My brother in law and I had a good chat about this turbo plan.

We both agree that it would be a better idea to go with a 9.5 Windsor block instead of an 8.2.

Everything else will stay the same, but it will be about 360 cubes in a bigger/stronger wrapper.

We are planning on beginning this build near the 1st of April.


April's Fool's day............................ :hmmmm:

I agree lol, if you go Windsor, go BIG.  Must be a joke =p.

Cris  :smile


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 02, 2009, 09:45:39 am
My brother in law and I had a good chat about this turbo plan.

We both agree that it would be a better idea to go with a 9.5 Windsor block instead of an 8.2.

Everything else will stay the same, but it will be about 360 cubes in a bigger/stronger wrapper.

We are planning on beginning this build near the 1st of April.


April's Fool's day............................ :hmmmm:

well - not exactly.  This is my thought process.

The 69-74 Windsor block are about as strong as an entry level 8.2 aftermarket block (if you keep the revs down).

My thoughts of keeping the cubes low is to keep the Turbo smaller and the power down somewhat.

Do you know what a 408 and an 88mm Turbo can do?  Shred any sort of budget for one as it would require a ManOwar block, make a full on cage mandatory... that is getting into 8 sec territory (and I aint talking about bull riding).

A 360 Windsor and a 76mm Turbo would be about 4 grand cheaper and is still capable of low 10's high 9's.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on March 02, 2009, 02:25:38 pm
A 360 Windsor and a 76mm Turbo would be about 4 grand cheaper and is still capable of low 10's high 9's.

And could be streetable.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on March 02, 2009, 02:56:39 pm
How fast do ya wanna go?  Is this gonna be a street car?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Fordota on March 09, 2009, 10:33:11 am
Awesome Nathan! Web site's like this should not be allowed to exist because its like having all of your friends with the same interests constantly around saying 'go bigger, go bigger, stage 1? - go stage 5!!!...  :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 09, 2009, 03:18:24 pm
Awesome Nathan! Web site's like this should not be allowed to exist because its like having all of your friends with the same interests constantly around saying 'go bigger, go bigger, stage 1? - go stage 5!!!...  :party

So very true...

After talking with Jay, Woody and my turbo builder, am I going back to the original plan. 

306 (408 piston, 5.4 rod, 2m crank)
TFS heads
Super Vic Intake
Blowthrough Carb
76mm Turbo

Block is going to Woody's next week.
Turbo junk should be here any day.

We will begin mock up around the first of April.  I plan on lots of pictures...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on March 09, 2009, 03:37:51 pm
what block...if u already said i missed it ..sorry.. :dunno


and so how much boost do u plan on pumping through there?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 09, 2009, 03:55:00 pm
what block...if u already said i missed it ..sorry.. :dunno

Well - thats the thing. Since I keep my "car $" seperate from my regular income, the project is on a budget so.... ff I can get some junk sold quickly - a new Boss block.  If not, I have a old standard bore 289/302 block.

Quote
and so how much boost do u plan on pumping through there?

My plan is about 15


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on March 09, 2009, 03:56:34 pm
cool deal..

just curious as to why are u using the 408 piston is there an advantage in using it over .... :hmmmm:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 09, 2009, 04:02:19 pm
cool deal..

just curious as to why are u using the 408 piston is there an advantage in using it over .... :hmmmm:

Well...

Its really all about the Turbo.  You want to keep the rotating assembly as light as possible while still being durable.  The 408 piston is tough and light.  Couple that with the ultra light weight rods... you have less mass for the crank to fight with as a Turbo tries to push everything down.  This also make valvetrain stability critical...

Since I was starting from scratch - it doesnt really cost any more to do it this way...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on March 09, 2009, 04:03:52 pm
allright thanks ...im following u now...



 :smile


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 12, 2009, 11:35:38 am
8.2 Deck Super Victor Intake and
TFS/TEA 205cnc Heads


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fs308 on March 12, 2009, 12:01:08 pm
absolutely sick!! :burnout
but but those heads are too big hahaha


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on March 12, 2009, 06:04:20 pm
Should be one heck of a combo for a convertible.  Is the boss block cheaper than the entry level dart?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 18, 2009, 08:23:05 pm
Turbo parts are coming in.

Block is going to Woody this weekend.

Cam is ordered from Jay...

We should be rocking in a month or two!!! :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Nacho on March 18, 2009, 10:08:25 pm
Damn, sounds awesome. Can't wait to see it up and running.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 01, 2009, 03:11:25 pm
After pouring over internet article after internet article I have come to the quite obvious conclusion that GM's LS series of engines is in everyway superior to the fords we bloody out knuckles over time and again.

Has anyone put one of these in a Fox body?

I sold my Fordstrokers 306 and TEA/TFS heads (and the rest of the ford engine stuff) and put a down payment on a 5.3 out of a 1500 truck.  I also sold all the Team Z stuff on the car and put on UPR stuff for ease of swapping in the bow tie.

I will get pics up when I can.

This 5.3 with a Turbo should rock....  and be really cool at the shows and cruise ins! 

I am getting really excited now!!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 01, 2009, 03:16:59 pm
What's the date today? :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 82stang on April 01, 2009, 04:31:47 pm
After pouring over internet article after internet article I have come to the quite obvious conclusion that GM's LS series of engines is in everyway superior to the fords we bloody out knuckles over time and again.

Has anyone put one of these in a Fox body?

I sold my Fordstrokers 306 and TEA/TFS heads (and the rest of the ford engine stuff) and put a down payment on a 5.3 out of a 1500 truck.  I also sold all the Team Z stuff on the car and put on UPR stuff for ease of swapping in the bow tie.

I will get pics up when I can.

This 5.3 with a Turbo should rock....  and be really cool at the shows and cruise ins! 

I am getting really excited now!!!

are you fucking serious???


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 01, 2009, 05:23:52 pm
I heard Ed really knows those LS series engines.  You should give him a call about the cam. ;D  You might even be able to get away with a SADI core if it's not hollow. :orglaugh


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 01, 2009, 05:25:04 pm
I heard Ed really knows those LS series engines.  You should give him a call about the cam. ;D  You might even be able to get away with a SADI core if it's not hollow. :orglaugh

Not a bad idea...

I also really believe that the Cubs are going to win it all this year!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 93lxcoupe5.0 on April 01, 2009, 06:07:24 pm
Yeah.. I am not messing with fords anymore either.  traded my ride in for a civic.  I heard if you put a cold air intake on it i can be down in the 12's stock. 

 :spit:

i had to sit and think for a minute before i realized what day it was.    9 years ago i crashed my car head on to another 7 days after getting my license... I had to let the paramedic tell my parents that it was not a joke because the didn't believe me at all... They were actually laughing for a minute.

 :smile


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 01, 2009, 08:47:40 pm
I also really believe that the Cubs are going to win it all this year!

Ouch!!! :orglaugh Make jokes while you can bird boy. ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on April 02, 2009, 01:23:44 am
 :spit:


traded team z for upr..... :spit:


traded the ford motor for a chebby in your stang.... :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 02, 2009, 10:20:40 am
I also really believe that the Cubs are going to win it all this year!

Ouch!!! :orglaugh Make jokes while you can bird boy. ;D

I tell you what - if the cubs win the series - I will fly out to LA and buy you dinner.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 02, 2009, 01:08:03 pm
I also really believe that the Cubs are going to win it all this year!

Ouch!!! :orglaugh Make jokes while you can bird boy. ;D

I tell you what - if the cubs win the series - I will fly out to LA and buy you dinner.

Only if you wear a Cubs hat.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 06, 2009, 10:24:12 am
On a more serious note we got a chance to do some work on the Turbo yesterday afternoon as the baseball game I had tickets to got "colded" out.

It was kindof an exciting day dropping the car off at my brother's (65svtfastback) as this is my first Turbo project.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/spring020.jpg)

After the game was called I came back and removed the front fascia, which was an excercise in frustration as someone had filled areas of the bumper area with expanding foam.  ::)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/faceless.jpg)

The stock bumper weighed in at 38lbs and the replacement chrome moly piece tipped the scales at just under 4lbs.  I will also be removing the fog lights and bar (which reportedly weigh over 30lbs). 
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Some of this weight loss is offset by the 14 pound intercooler that is going in that area.
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We flipped some shorty headers around, removed the ball and socket connectors and added Vbands.
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We then got the hotside tacked up (when I say we I mean my brother - as I am not much of a welder).
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We still need to add the flex joint in the lower hotside pipe... which should not take long and get everything welded up.

Then on to the cold side!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mj88stang on April 06, 2009, 01:01:54 pm
awesome :rock


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 65svtfastback on April 06, 2009, 09:20:07 pm
Did a little welding tonight!!!!!

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Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 06, 2009, 09:26:38 pm
You make it difficult to cover the welds up with exhaust wrap...

Damn thats pretty! :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on April 06, 2009, 09:27:51 pm
Those valve covers are sexy as hell.....hehe


GREAT work guys!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on April 06, 2009, 09:29:27 pm
at first i was thinking nate did those welds, then i went and seen who made the post


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on April 06, 2009, 11:19:29 pm
damn those are some nice lookin welds and it will suck hiding them up..


so its coming along and looks like it wont be long ... :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on April 06, 2009, 11:25:20 pm
Tig weld is by far my favorite type of welding, just fuzing the metal together is fairly easy, the challenging part is when you start to use the brazing rods. This is when hand and eye coordination come into hand. It takes awhile to get used to the brazing rods, but once you get the hang of it its real fun. Mig is my second favorite. as far as stick welding goes...... Well I suck at it. LOL


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gmkillr on April 07, 2009, 01:01:53 am
Lookin really good!
Love the Fab work your doin! :rock
Once everything is done and fitted properly, are you sending them out for Ceramic Coating?

Keep up the great work! :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 07, 2009, 09:46:05 am
Lookin really good!
Love the Fab work your doin! :rock
Once everything is done and fitted properly, are you sending them out for Ceramic Coating?

Keep up the great work! :party

My plan is to "wrap" all the hotside and powder coat all the cold side.  Ceramic coating is nice, but its pricey and if you drip oil, gas or even water on it, a blemish appears. 

I will be doing a lot of work on the engine bay as well - including hiding all the wires, patching big holes etc.

It should look nice when it is done.

I am planning a black and silver color theme.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 07, 2009, 09:49:43 am
Those valve covers are sexy as hell.....hehe


Smart ass...  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 07, 2009, 09:52:18 am
so its coming along and looks like it wont be long ... :dunno

It is coming along... but that 306 in the car is just for mockup.  My plans are to have everything ready to bolt on around the time Woody has my shortblock done.  Cam is here, heads are done, and all parts are purchased...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gmkillr on April 07, 2009, 10:21:15 am
Lookin really good!
Love the Fab work your doin! :rock
Once everything is done and fitted properly, are you sending them out for Ceramic Coating?

Keep up the great work! :party

My plan is to "wrap" all the hotside and powder coat all the cold side.  Ceramic coating is nice, but its pricey and if you drip oil, gas or even water on it, a blemish appears. 

I will be doing a lot of work on the engine bay as well - including hiding all the wires, patching big holes etc.

It should look nice when it is done.

I am planning a black and silver color theme.


Thats cool! :party

I did not know that about Ceramic coating....... :idea
I plan on sending a few small parts out to be ceramic coated here soon ( distributor, water neck, alternator case).

Keep up the good work! :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 07, 2009, 03:17:26 pm
There is paint made for turbos and exhaust that will act as a thermal barrier.  Very affordable and you can apply it in your garage with a spray gun.  I used the black color on my headers and so far it works very well.  I think it's made by Tech Line.  I'll go check in the garage later.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 65svtfastback on April 07, 2009, 09:35:28 pm
Fit up wastegate tonight.

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Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 08, 2009, 09:57:23 am
 :clap

Cold side tubing should be there tomorrow.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on April 08, 2009, 10:09:41 am
It sure is moving along quick, huh?!    :rock


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 08, 2009, 10:11:00 am
It sure is moving along quick, huh?!    :rock

Its amazing how fast a project can move along when you are having someone else do all the hard work.  I thank god that my sister married a competent motorhead!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 8950lx on April 08, 2009, 10:49:06 am
Two questions:

1) What fan is that you have there?
2) Are you making any plates to hold the turbo in place to prevent any cracking/bending of the piping?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 08, 2009, 10:53:35 am
Two questions:

1) What fan is that you have there? Its off a Jeep Grand Cherokee out of a yard
2) Are you making any plates to hold the turbo in place to prevent any cracking/bending of the piping? If anything it will be a bracket to the head, but we may not do anything.  We will see how it plays out


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 65svtfastback on April 08, 2009, 09:26:46 pm
Did not do much tonight, just put in the flex section and finished welding the hotside.  The tubing and bends for the coldside and down pipe are supposed to be here tomorrow.
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Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 65svtfastback on April 09, 2009, 09:36:13 pm
Took it easy tonight and had some wings and beer (thanks Adam), and just started to tack the down pipe together.  Another couple of hours and I shoud have it knocked out.

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Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 10, 2009, 10:51:28 am
Take it easy... relax... no need to rush things.  I am fine with the car staying at your house till the new garage/shop is done.

 :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: foxbody92 on April 12, 2009, 11:18:15 am
 :drool: Sweet build there guy what ya doin with that funnleweb? :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 12, 2009, 05:14:14 pm
:drool: Sweet build there guy what ya doin with that funnleweb? :whistling:

THANKS...funnelweb is long gone.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 22, 2009, 12:05:37 pm

COMBO INFORMATION
Provided by: Mighty Mouse

01. Block
  • Displacement: 306
  • CR: 10:1
02. Heads
  • Brand: TrickFlow Twisted Wedge
  • Model: 205cnc
  • Ported?: Total Engine Airflow
03. Camshaft (If the camshaft is custom, NOT providing this information is understandable, and expected)
  • Brand: Camshaft Innovations - Jay Allen
  • Grind Number/Model:
  • Int./Exh. Duration @.050": 220ish
  • Int./Exh. Lift: .570ish" @1.6 ratio
  • Lobe Separation Angle:  115
04. Induction
  • Carbureted/EFI: carbed - blowthrough
  • Intake: Edelbrock SuperVictor
  • Carb/Injector Size: 780 Holley (proform center) CSU
  • Throttle Body Size:
05. Tuner: ...
06. Exhaust
  • Style: single
  • Diameter: flipped Shorty headers and 3" downpipe
  • Catted: umm...no
  • "X" or "H": none
  • Mufflers: single 3" glasspack
07. Power Adder: 76mm Turbo
08. Transmission
  • Manual/Auto: Manual
  • Model: Tremec TKO 600
  • Plate/Clutch: Centerforce "Stage II"
  • Converter Stall: my right foot
09. Gears
  • Style: 8.8"
  • Ratio: 3.55
  • Differential Style: Eaton Custom Posi - 35 spline Strange
10. Rear Suspension Setup: Team Z Relocated uppers and adjustable lowers, w/ Anti roll bar
11. Front Suspension Setup : Team Z Tubular w/ Strange Coil Overs and adj. struts
12. Tires: 245/45/17 - stock Goodyear Gatorbacks front 28 x 10.5 MT ETs on rear
13. Car Weight: shooting for 3200 lbs. w/ driver


Time Slip:
  • 60ft.:
  • 330ft:
  • 1/8th ET:
  • 1/8th MPH:
  • 1000:
  • 1/4 ET:
  • 1/4 MPH:
Dyno Data:
  • FWHP:
  • FWTQ:
  • RWHP:
  • RWTQ:

COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS:[/quote]


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 22, 2009, 01:51:00 pm
What is the thinking behind the single 3" exhaust and glasspack muffler?  Not too familiar with turbo builds.  Will you be able to drive this to Chicago to watch the Cubs in the World Series this year?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 22, 2009, 01:59:00 pm
What is the thinking behind the single 3" exhaust and glasspack muffler?  Not too familiar with turbo builds. 

Well its a single turbo so I am limited to a single downpipe.  The size of the opening for the downpipe is 3".  I contemplated stepping it up to 3.5" but I was already kind of tight on room, and because this combo will more than likely make more power than the car can handle anyway - I left it at 3".  I do not know if a 3.5" exhaust would make any more power or accelerate the car any quicker anyway given this is a turbo build.  If this was a supercharger - it would have been a no brainer.  The deal with the glasspack is that the Turbo acts like a muffler anyway, and drastically changes and reduces the sound coming from the exhaust.  All I needed was to quite it down a little more all while introducing as little backpressure as I could.  It wont sound like a glasspack... I may install an exhuast cut out as well... we shall see how it runs first.

Will you be able to drive this to Chicago to watch the Cubs in the World Series this year?
  Well - since it will be snowing in hell at that time it will probably be snowing in the Windy City so I doubt I will be able to drive it to the games... ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 22, 2009, 02:46:52 pm
I didn't think about the plumbing of a single turbo. :duh  Makes sense.  I know the turbo quiets the car down a bunch.  Was just wondering why a glass pack?  Don't they have louvers that cause them not to flow as well as a Magnaflow or Ultraflow?  At least the single exhaust won't set you back as much.

Quote
Well - since it will be snowing in hell at that time it will probably be snowing in the Windy City so I doubt I will be able to drive it to the games...


 :spit:So October isn't the best time to have a convertible in that area. LOL


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 19, 2009, 10:37:27 am
Picture Update

The cold side is tacked. 

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Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 26, 2009, 09:51:46 am
Tim Finished all of the welding last night and threw on the chrome moly bumber support

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As soon as my garage doors are in I will go pick up the car and do all the finish work.  I am now officially getting excited!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on May 26, 2009, 02:08:59 pm
You guys don't mess around!  Looks excellent and is getting done very quickly (at least in my book).  Keep it up and let me know if you ever want to sell it. :)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: foxbody92 on May 27, 2009, 01:30:32 am
WOW! Lookin bad ass! You guys make good time on your work as well and it looks like you spared no expence on the build. That thing gives mustangs a good name unlike guys like me with little time and less money lol.  :clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 351 windsor snake on May 27, 2009, 02:37:20 am
I think you need to take some pointers from this guy,if you want to really impress us. :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 27, 2009, 12:37:24 pm
WOW! Lookin bad ass! You guys make good time on your work as well and it looks like you spared no expence on the build. That thing gives mustangs a good name unlike guys like me with little time and less money lol.  :clap

If I had lots of money, and/or my brother in law wasnt such a sport, I would have just bought a kit... but in all honesty, I think this setup looks way more bad ass than any kit I have seen for sale.  As with any build we cut some corners but only in the areas that we were pretty sure were full of fat anyway.

The pictures make the setup look kind of intrusive and bulky, but when seeing it in person it just looks killer.  Unike the babes in Playboy, the pictures simply do not do it any justice...

The engine combo will have/has bottom 9sec potential...
The car has 10 sec potential...
The driver has 12 sec potential...

We will see how it all plays out.

But the way I look at it is that I have as much or more of a chance of hitting the 8's right off the trailer than the Cubs do at winning the World Series this year.... so who knows!?!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on May 27, 2009, 02:19:22 pm
Hey now!!!  We finally won a game last night. :SOS:  Good thing it's a long season. ;)  Hopefully the Cubs stop playing like a bottom 9 second engine in a 10 second car with a 12 second driver. :out:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 27, 2009, 02:26:19 pm
Hopefully the Cubs stop playing like a bottom 9 second engine in a 10 second car with a 12 second driver. :out:


Touche'

 ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: foxbody92 on May 27, 2009, 10:21:09 pm
 :spit: Well if you ever need a 10 second driver just let me know and I`ll drop the hammer for ya!  :whistling: Oh thats funny shit!

Im sure it looks as you describe. The chicks I meet on the net are always fat ugly hogs that looked like prime ass in the photos. So I know pics arent always what they seem


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on May 27, 2009, 10:26:24 pm
Looks REALLY good Nate........That car is gonna flat out RIP :clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 28, 2009, 10:43:34 am
Looks REALLY good Nate........That car is gonna flat out RIP :clap

Thanks Guys. 

My plans are to race it on the Sunday after Car Craft Summer Nats in Rock Falls... not to far from EuClaire and Chippewa Falls home of the second greatest beer in the world.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: foxbody92 on May 28, 2009, 12:12:34 pm
Looks REALLY good Nate........That car is gonna flat out RIP :clap

Thanks Guys. 

My plans are to race it on the Sunday after Car Craft Summer Nats in Rock Falls... not to far from EuClaire and Chippewa Falls home of the second greatest beer in the world.

I go to rock falls all the time! My dad has a cabin there. Thats sweet ima have to drop by. Im gona get a hustle on my car but it probly wont be done in time. Short on funds. Is a chevy muffler day or brackets that day? Yeah if your gona be in the area stop by the lineies lodge they give you free beer! The tours not bad and they will warn you not to eat the hopps that you get to smell in this glass jar they pass around. One guy did it and lost all of his tast for weeks. Bigs carberators is in altoona right off from clairmont ave too.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on June 06, 2009, 12:05:47 am
There is a solution to the 12 second issue.  Nothing a couple cans of slim fast and a few more comments like this one to get you running around the neighborhood.
 :out:

[/quote]

If I had lots of money, and/or my brother in law wasnt such a sport, I would have just bought a kit... but in all honesty, I think this setup looks way more bad ass than any kit I have seen for sale.  As with any build we cut some corners but only in the areas that we were pretty sure were full of fat anyway.

The engine combo will have/has bottom 9sec potential...
The car has 10 sec potential...
The driver has 12 sec potential...

[/quote]


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on June 06, 2009, 12:17:25 am
In all seriousness though, you may want to invest in a chute to slow down the pony just in case.  As always, Tim does an awesome job combining the aesthetic and  functional together in his design.  Honestly I cannot wait to see this in person.  BTW, that block and head combination looks great together.  :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 08, 2009, 12:31:52 pm
There is a solution to the 12 second issue.  Nothing a couple cans of slim fast and a few more comments like this one to get you running around the neighborhood.
 :out:



Quote
The driver has 12 sec potential...

Tell you what - I'll  drink a few slim fasts if you promise to run a few more gallons of gas before your head down the 1320. :idea



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 08, 2009, 12:34:45 pm
In all seriousness though, you may want to invest in a chute to slow down the pony just in case.  As always, Tim does an awesome job combining the aesthetic and  functional together in his design.  Honestly I cannot wait to see this in person.  BTW, that block and head combination looks great together.  :whistling:

The canfields are in the trunk.  I told Mickey - who stopped by the other day to see the car - they were for ballast. 

The heads on the mock up 306 are the 205cnc Twisted Wedges.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 09, 2009, 10:53:54 am
A fellow SBFTECH member  (http://sbftech.com/index.php?topic=19322.new;topicseen#new) was kind enough to swap bonnets with me... as the CSU one does not tilt down and would not clear the 4" cowl hood with the Super Vic intake.  

Woody has also given me a status update on the shortblock and I should have that in a week or two.

It is starting to come together!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on June 09, 2009, 05:48:36 pm
Looks REALLY good Nate........That car is gonna flat out RIP :clap

Thanks Guys. 

My plans are to race it on the Sunday after Car Craft Summer Nats in Rock Falls... not to far from EuClaire and Chippewa Falls home of the second greatest beer in the world.
Walter's beer??  :orglaugh You drink Lienies!?!?!?   :orglaugh


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 09, 2009, 05:49:50 pm
Looks REALLY good Nate........That car is gonna flat out RIP :clap

Thanks Guys. 

My plans are to race it on the Sunday after Car Craft Summer Nats in Rock Falls... not to far from EuClaire and Chippewa Falls home of the second greatest beer in the world.
Walter's beer??  :orglaugh You drink Lienies!?!?!?   :orglaugh

I am a HUGE Lienies fan!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 09, 2009, 05:50:31 pm
But my favorite is, and always will be, the HIGH LIFE...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on June 09, 2009, 06:00:31 pm
Sounds like its really coming together now Nate...........cant wait to see it all done.

Great job to all involved!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on June 09, 2009, 08:55:02 pm
But my favorite is, and always will be, the HIGH LIFE...
Thank you, you just redeemed yourself  :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 16, 2009, 05:35:10 pm
Well - the car is home ... and I have begun to dismantle everything to get it ready for Car Craft. 

I am picking up the shortblock from Woody this weekend and I have purchased all the little odds and ends needed to hook everything up. 

Now - just have to find the time to tie it all together and get it running. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on June 17, 2009, 02:54:03 am
killer so  how about some pics.. :yes:

cant wait as i bet u cant either , that thing rumble down the road... :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 17, 2009, 10:04:11 am
Pics will come soon - after I pick up the shortblock and when I get the heads assembled.  The cold side is out for coating and I am going to try and get the hot side wrapped tonight. 

I recently built (read am still building) an attached 32 x 32 garage and I have a lot of finish work to do on that to get it ready for my daughter's 1st birthday party on the 11th and Car Craft is the 17th... so I have to get my ass in gear.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on June 17, 2009, 05:21:32 pm
so I have to get my ass in gear.
Busy, but fun, get your butt off the intarweb and get to work.  :orglaugh  :ban


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 24, 2009, 09:53:53 am
Pipes are wrapped.

Old combo is out.

Shortblock is in route.

Just in time for me being in St. Louis for 5 days and not being able to sit up at night staring at this work of art.

(http://www.fordstrokers.com/nate1.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 26, 2009, 03:21:36 pm
So the plan is to have it going and tuned by the 16th of July.  If I can get it done and running well I will dyno it on the 18th or 19th.

Any guesses what it will make at the wheels with 10psi?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: foxbody92 on June 26, 2009, 09:53:46 pm
So the plan is to have it going and tuned by the 16th of July.  If I can get it done and running well I will dyno it on the 18th or 19th.

Any guesses what it will make at the wheels with 10psi?

more than mine


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 27, 2009, 04:36:01 am
So the plan is to have it going and tuned by the 16th of July.  If I can get it done and running well I will dyno it on the 18th or 19th.

Any guesses what it will make at the wheels with 10psi?

Enough to make Albert Pujols feel like a small ball player.

I'll guess 550 rwhp and enough torque starting at low rpms to pull a big rig trailer full of Chevy trucks.  10 psi sounds low but I bet it'll be moving some air with those big heads.  Wouldn't surprise me if you make more.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 27, 2009, 09:31:30 am
Got about 10 minutes last night to work on this thing.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 27, 2009, 02:57:30 pm
A whole 10 minutes and you didn't have it together and in the car? :orglaugh  Like your boy's shirt! :)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 01, 2009, 10:55:00 am
A whole 10 minutes and you didn't have it together and in the car? :orglaugh  Like your boy's shirt! :)

Thats not my boy, thats Jay... he stopped by to give me a hand.   ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Fordota on July 01, 2009, 10:58:40 am
 :spit:    :lmaoflr:   :yess:

Hey Nathan what Valve Covers are those, there sweet!  :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 01, 2009, 11:01:19 am
:spit:    :lmaoflr:   :yess:

Hey Nathan what Valve Covers are those, there sweet!  :party

Just a set I had my brother in law build for me.  They are designed to mimic the pentroof style covers from the FE and Cleveland line only with a Windsor bolt pattern.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Fordota on July 01, 2009, 03:29:34 pm
there sweet


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on July 01, 2009, 03:39:46 pm
damn its almost ready to drop in huh.... :naughty:


sweet cant wait till shes up and running..i like the build.


hp guess.... :dunno.....on a dyno... :dunno


...but with 10 lbs it should have enough hp for a 10.00 and lower i would imagine once u get the bugs out of it.... :wonder:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 01, 2009, 05:18:16 pm
A whole 10 minutes and you didn't have it together and in the car? :orglaugh  Like your boy's shirt! :)

Thats not my boy, thats Jay... he stopped by to give me a hand.   ;)

 :spit:   :duh


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on July 02, 2009, 07:37:30 pm
:spit:    :lmaoflr:   :yess:

Hey Nathan what Valve Covers are those, there sweet!  :party

Just a set I had my brother in law build for me.  They are designed to mimic the pentroof style covers from the FE and Cleveland line only with a Windsor bolt pattern.
If your brother in law was to build another set and sell them what would he charge? I've always had a hot spot in my loins for those style that came on the early 60's FE engines.  :D :orglaugh


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 14, 2009, 12:47:52 pm
Pictures kind of suck but...

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2181.jpg) Engine is in the car.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2182.jpg)
Lots of work left to be done, but its coming together.  Still need pushrods and the oil feed line, but other than that I should have everything. 

Soon, soon...

Here is a pic of the new garage.  Not sure why it is so blury though.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2183.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 14, 2009, 12:50:39 pm
:spit:    :lmaoflr:   :yess:

Hey Nathan what Valve Covers are those, there sweet!  :party

Just a set I had my brother in law build for me.  They are designed to mimic the pentroof style covers from the FE and Cleveland line only with a Windsor bolt pattern.
If your brother in law was to build another set and sell them what would he charge? I've always had a hot spot in my loins for those style that came on the early 60's FE engines.  :D :orglaugh

Around $200...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 21, 2009, 03:00:01 pm
Finally got a little, and I do mean a little, time to work on it.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2185.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2186.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2187.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: tx90vertgt on July 21, 2009, 09:01:13 pm
Looks fucking great!  Wish my engine bay was that clean.  Nice to see someone else hot rodding a vert.  Makes no sense to most folks.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 22, 2009, 10:10:13 am
Nice to see someone else hot rodding a vert.  Makes no sense to most folks.

That is the ENTIRE reason I did it (or am doing it)...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 23, 2009, 10:07:05 am
Well I got all the wires out of the engine bay that I could remove.  Mounted the FPR and modified the oil pressure sending unit and oil feed line for the turbo.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2188.jpg)

I also got the turbo "clocked" the way I needed it for the oil return line and cold side piping.  The down side to this as the sway bar mount on the driver's side is going to need some... adjusting.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2189.jpg)

It takes a long time to do all the litte junk that needs to be done before I can finish putting it together. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 23, 2009, 10:15:08 am

It takes a long time to do all the little junk that needs to be done before I can finish putting it together. 

I heard that!!!   :Gluck:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on July 23, 2009, 10:47:25 am

It takes a long time to do all the little junk that needs to be done before I can finish putting it together. 

I heard that!!!   :Gluck:

Preaching to the choir.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 23, 2009, 10:30:55 pm
Nathan, if you make a car too clean they don't run as hard. ;D  Keep up the excellent work!!! :clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 25, 2009, 08:51:03 am
My pushrods arrived so I got the valve train adjusted and the Turbo hot section painted.  It still needs some adjusting though....  With any luck I will have it damn close to running this weekend (waiting on some fuel system stuff)...



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 27, 2009, 08:53:28 am
Well, I got close... but the fuel system needed some stuff that I didnt have (yet) and I still need a distributor.



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 27, 2009, 12:53:42 pm
Lookin' good, man.  When you first test it's bite are you gonna go 1/8MI or go balls out on the 1/4MI?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 27, 2009, 04:53:08 pm
Lookin' good, man.  When you first test it's bite are you gonna go 1/8MI or go balls out on the 1/4MI?

I will probably start slow and work my way up. 

I am using a two step and all kinds of new stuff.  I have a 5 psi spring in there now and will learn how to drive and tune the CAR before moving up on boost.  But once I have the balls to get to 15+psi - then it will be 1/4 mile for sure.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 28, 2009, 01:10:13 am
That thing will scare the heck out of you first full pass in the 1/4.  120 mph in the quarter got my attention.  I can't imagine what going right to 130+ would feel like!  I think it's a real good idea to take it slow with that much under the hood.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 07, 2009, 10:02:48 am
SNAG!

I have purchased I dont know how many fittings trying to find something that will work to get fuel to this carb, but each setup offers new issues.

The latest is this:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2220.jpg)

The secondary linkage hits the extended fitting for the -8 incoming fuel line when the secondary linkage begins to open.  (a -6 also hits, the short holley to -8 fittings interfere with the bowl screws, and a fuel log has the same problem).

No one said this is easy.... I am now looking at Holley books trying to find alternate linkages or some other solution to this problem.  If anyone has some advice - let me know!

Here is a pic of the engine and its progress.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2221.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: quickshift on August 07, 2009, 10:09:33 am
Can you get another fuel bowl with the dual feed option? Can you use 1/2 of the fuel log with the extensions that extend the log away from the bowls? :hmmmm:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: SteveL on August 07, 2009, 10:11:10 am
Here you go...

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/QFT-34-104



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 07, 2009, 10:11:58 am
Can you get another fuel bowl with the dual feed option? Can you use 1/2 of the fuel log with the extensions that extend the log away from the bowls? :hmmmm:

I have several fuel bowls... I have never looked for a difference in them.

I dont follow you on the extension point.  The fuel log hits in the same way...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 07, 2009, 10:13:51 am
Here you go...

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/QFT-34-104


Hmm... I had no idea such existed.  That just may do it...  but this whole thing still chaps my ass a little.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: quickshift on August 07, 2009, 10:26:33 am
I don't have a link but BG or Pat may list the bowls that have both sides taped and come with a plug giving you the choice of feeding the bowl from either side for apps such as yours, tunnel rams, etc.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 07, 2009, 12:39:32 pm
UPDATE: Kevin (CSU) called me back and wants me to try a -6 short fitting. THe -6 line on the seconday will suffice as it is still bigger than the needle and seat, even with the E85.

I really need a speed shop close by, these shipping costs and wait time is killing me.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on August 07, 2009, 12:55:32 pm
THe -6 line on the seconday will suffice as it is still bigger than the needle and seat, even with the E85.


I always wondered about that where I hear guys upgrading the fuel line from the tank up to their carb going to 1/2" line or even bigger for under say 700HP.  The needle and seat I thought was the restriction point, no?  Can anyone shed some light on this subject, please?

P.S. The biggest Holley needle and seat assembly has .15" -- times two thats still only .3" whereas 3/8" fuel line is .375" . . . the fuel line is still bigger . . .


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on August 07, 2009, 05:30:36 pm
Taking a little off that arm won't give it enough room I presume?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 08, 2009, 07:45:39 pm
Taking a little off that arm won't give it enough room I presume?

Nope - not with the extended fitting, but, as I am not one to give up... I got the -8 to work with the help of quickshift (thanks for the screws chief).  He sent me two #12 2.5" long holley screws with the flat head...head which are smaller than the 5/16 hex head screws.  I still needed to grind the heads down a fair amount, but it works.  

And then I was able to use a 45* -8 fitting and "clock" it out of the way.  It looks ok and it should be functional!


With any  :Gluck: the car will be fired tomorrow.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: quickshift on August 08, 2009, 07:49:46 pm
You're welcome buddy ... I'm glad they made it. :canada2:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on August 08, 2009, 08:11:19 pm
 :Gluck:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 12, 2009, 01:00:01 pm
Frustrated:

I hate wiring. 

This spring I removed the HVAC system and lightened other junk in the dash.  I also moved all the engine bay wires into the fenders and mounted the solenoid into the drivers fender.  Now my dash lights are always on, the fuel pump is not turning on, the tach goes nuts even though its not hooked up to the buzz box and all other sorts of wierd stuff...

It never fails...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 12, 2009, 01:20:34 pm
Wiring is about the only thing I cannot stand about working on a car.  Even when I get it right I get no joy from it just stress.  It's all magic and voodoo to me.  When it works I'm relieved.  When it doesn't I'm lost.  Sounds like you need Joel to fly out.

My brother used to do all my electrical and he loved doing it. :scry:  Just didn't like to explain anything to me as he was doing it. :duh  Now he's in Colorado. :disgust:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 12, 2009, 02:44:59 pm
Wiring is about the only thing I cannot stand about working on a car.  Even when I get it right I get no joy from it just stress.  It's all magic and voodoo to me.  When it works I'm relieved.  When it doesn't I'm lost.  Sounds like you need Joel to fly out.

My brother used to do all my electrical and he loved doing it. :scry:  Just didn't like to explain anything to me as he was doing it. :duh  Now he's in Colorado. :disgust:

Joel's plane ticket is on the way. 

That is why I always save the wiring for last... because I hate it, and no matter how careful I am it always seems to turn into a hackjob at the end.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 12, 2009, 04:19:37 pm
You can't be too mad with the Cards in first again.  I was ready to throw in the towel when they picked up Holliday and DeRosa. :o


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 14, 2009, 04:13:49 pm
You can't be too mad with the Cards in first again.  I was ready to throw in the towel when they picked up Holliday and DeRosa. :o

All puns intended - - - - It really makes it a whole new ball game?!?

If memory serves - Cubs play a pretty rigorous schedule for the remainder of the season and the Cards have it pretty good from here on out.  My guess - this ainít the Cubs' year.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 16, 2009, 02:09:14 pm
It




is



alive!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on August 16, 2009, 02:14:59 pm
It




is



alive!

Where







is






the





pics,







or






video?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 19, 2009, 11:17:06 am
Working on pics and video.

It is now running and idling nice and all the electrical gremlins seem to be gone.  However, My gauge shows 8# of vacum at idle and my cam card shows 16.7#....  shit!

I have not actually driven it yet - but KUDOS to CSU on the E85 carb so far.  The car starts right up and idles very nicely.  Just need to spend some time on the idle mixture screws and the idle rpm and we should be good to go.

I hope to revisit the valvetrain and drive it tonight.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on August 19, 2009, 05:07:29 pm
Glad to hear that Nate, I know you can't wait to actually drive this thing. I can imagine that the anticipation is getting at you.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on August 19, 2009, 05:54:34 pm
Thats great news Nathan!!! :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 21, 2009, 10:21:46 am
I drove it yesterday for the first time.  I didnít go that far as I still havenít put the nose back on the car and didnít want to get hassled by the po-po.

The drive was ďminorĒly eventful...The painted exhaust wrap smokes so forking bad I thought I had a fire and pulled over 4 blocks from my house.  Several people stopped to look in the 20 seconds I was stopped.

When I got back to the house I popped the hood again and noticed a weird looking film on the intake... so I touched it - and the intake was ICE cold.  Gotta love alcohol!

This weekend I will do some tuning and build some boost (although it will be minimal as I still have the 4.30 gears in place).


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 21, 2009, 01:53:07 pm
The Cards are in first, the Cubs are falling apart, and you got your car running.  Things must feel pretty good about now.  That is awesome about the intake!!!  You should be making some ridiculous power when all is said and done. :o

Those 4.30's have to go from the little I've picked up about turbo cars.  What gear are you going with.  I imagine it'll be MUCH lower numerically.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 21, 2009, 02:25:05 pm
The Cards are in first, the Cubs are falling apart, and you got your car running.  Things must feel pretty good about now.  That is awesome about the intake!!!  You should be making some ridiculous power when all is said and done. :o

Those 4.30's have to go from the little I've picked up about turbo cars.  What gear are you going with.  I imagine it'll be MUCH lower numerically.

Yep - lovin' life!  We will see how the rest of the summer plays out though... thats why they actually play the games and we race the cars.

I already had a set of 3.55 gears, so that is what I am going with... unless my friend buys this rear end and I get a new one from Team Z - then I will probably go with a 3.27.  

The car felt "sluggish" and "lumbering" when I drove it yesterday.  So today I checked the timing for the first time - yep, it was at 2* (with no advance).  I bumped it up to 32* and now the vacum checks out and it revs even better.  Its raining hard here so I didnt drive it again but I did take some photos.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/UpTopEngine.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2242.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on August 21, 2009, 10:26:14 pm
Glad to hear it's coming together well :clap :ban


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 302ute on August 22, 2009, 04:58:10 am
Congrats on getting it all together and running. Looks good, real good. Most guys here in Australia do efi blowthru set-ups. Only a few do carbs.

Only one thing better than a V8, a V8 with boost!!!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fs308 on August 22, 2009, 06:41:16 am
congrats on getting it going. i love the bumper support


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 24, 2009, 11:14:29 am
Well... so much for the 5 pound spring.

I took it for a cruise last night just to build some boost and see where the AFR was under boost.

With 4.30 gears this things SNAPS to 15 pounds of boost at 3/4 throttle and blows the drag radials off faster than I can let off the throttle. Good news is the AFR is spot on at boost.

The 4.30 gears have got to go!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 24, 2009, 04:54:18 pm
Sounds impressive!  I don't know if you've mentioned it earlier in this thread but how much boost do you plan to make?  What about rolling into it from a slow roll in second?

I case you were wondering why the Cubs won yesterday it was because I went to the game. :)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on August 24, 2009, 04:56:52 pm
Well... so much for the 5 pound spring.

I took it for a cruise last night just to build some boost and see where the AFR was under boost.

With 4.30 gears this things SNAPS to 15 pounds of boost at 3/4 throttle and blows the drag radials off faster than I can let off the throttle. Good news is the AFR is spot on at boost.

The 4.30 gears have got to go!

lol.....4.30 is just a bit hardcore.....lol

What are ya going to switch to?....3.55?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 24, 2009, 05:02:17 pm
Sounds impressive!  I don't know if you've mentioned it earlier in this thread but how much boost do you plan to make?  What about rolling into it from a slow roll in second?

I case you were wondering why the Cubs won yesterday it was because I went to the game. :)

I was in third gear when it blew the tires...

I almost called you to see if you were there... do me a favor - never go to another Dodgers Cubs game again.   ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 24, 2009, 05:07:10 pm
Well... so much for the 5 pound spring.

I took it for a cruise last night just to build some boost and see where the AFR was under boost.

With 4.30 gears this things SNAPS to 15 pounds of boost at 3/4 throttle and blows the drag radials off faster than I can let off the throttle. Good news is the AFR is spot on at boost.

The 4.30 gears have got to go!

lol.....4.30 is just a bit hardcore.....lol

What are ya going to switch to?....3.55?

With the heads and intake as large as they are;
this thing being only 306 cubic inches;
coupled with Jay's cam;

this thing revs so fuckin' fast I am into boost and have to shift before I go anywhere, and if I shift any later than say 6200 rpms - say goodbye to the shortblock.

So - I have 3.55 gears... but after driving this thing I am leaning more towards bottom 3's... no shit.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on August 24, 2009, 05:12:39 pm
Well... so much for the 5 pound spring.

I took it for a cruise last night just to build some boost and see where the AFR was under boost.

With 4.30 gears this things SNAPS to 15 pounds of boost at 3/4 throttle and blows the drag radials off faster than I can let off the throttle. Good news is the AFR is spot on at boost.

The 4.30 gears have got to go!

lol.....4.30 is just a bit hardcore.....lol

What are ya going to switch to?....3.55?

With the heads and intake as large as they are;
this thing being only 306 cubic inches;
coupled with Jay's cam;

this thing revs so fuckin' fast I am into boost and have to shift before I go anywhere, and if I shift any later than say 6200 rpms - say goodbye to the shortblock.

So - I have 3.55 gears... but after driving this thing I am leaning more towards bottom 3's... no shit.

Any way you can get a 275/60 on that thing?.......Id think the 3.55 / 275 would be a good combo for what you have.
............Aint it a great feeling having TOO MUCH power :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on August 24, 2009, 05:12:50 pm
LOL....4.30's to 3.08's? Gotta love boost. Of course I'm sure you anticipated the gear change, specially with 15lbs of boost.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 24, 2009, 05:19:53 pm
Well... so much for the 5 pound spring.

I took it for a cruise last night just to build some boost and see where the AFR was under boost.

With 4.30 gears this things SNAPS to 15 pounds of boost at 3/4 throttle and blows the drag radials off faster than I can let off the throttle. Good news is the AFR is spot on at boost.

The 4.30 gears have got to go!

lol.....4.30 is just a bit hardcore.....lol

What are ya going to switch to?....3.55?

With the heads and intake as large as they are;
this thing being only 306 cubic inches;
coupled with Jay's cam;

this thing revs so fuckin' fast I am into boost and have to shift before I go anywhere, and if I shift any later than say 6200 rpms - say goodbye to the shortblock.

So - I have 3.55 gears... but after driving this thing I am leaning more towards bottom 3's... no shit.

Any way you can get a 275/60 on that thing?.......Id think the 3.55 / 275 would be a good combo for what you have.
............Aint it a great feeling having TOO MUCH power :naughty:

I have some thinking and planning to do on this...

Too much power is a great feeling... too much Turbo power is a whole new world for me.  Its an odd feeling - your are driving along and it goes from 0 - to holy shit in an instant... and the power curve is flat - it doesnt stop - not dependent really on RPM like a blower or an NA combo.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Jay Allen on August 24, 2009, 05:24:16 pm
Its an odd feeling - your are driving along and it goes from 0 - to holy shit in an instant... and the power curve is flat - it doesnt stop - not dependent really on RPM like a blower or an NA combo.

205cc TW on 306......."You can't do that"

 :lmaoflr:

I told you that you were in for one helluva ride.  :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 24, 2009, 05:33:07 pm
Its an odd feeling - your are driving along and it goes from 0 - to holy shit in an instant... and the power curve is flat - it doesnt stop - not dependent really on RPM like a blower or an NA combo.

205cc TW on 306......."You can't do that"

 :lmaoflr:

I told you that you were in for one helluva ride.  :whistling:

You werenít just  :whistling: Dixie...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on August 24, 2009, 05:45:45 pm
damn sounds like a little beast u got there... :naughty:





Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 65svtfastback on August 24, 2009, 10:10:50 pm
Well... so much for the 5 pound spring.

I took it for a cruise last night just to build some boost and see where the AFR was under boost.

With 4.30 gears this things SNAPS to 15 pounds of boost at 3/4 throttle and blows the drag radials off faster than I can let off the throttle. Good news is the AFR is spot on at boost.

The 4.30 gears have got to go!

lol.....4.30 is just a bit hardcore.....lol

What are ya going to switch to?....3.55?

With the heads and intake as large as they are;
this thing being only 306 cubic inches;
coupled with Jay's cam;

this thing revs so fuckin' fast I am into boost and have to shift before I go anywhere, and if I shift any later than say 6200 rpms - say goodbye to the shortblock.

So - I have 3.55 gears... but after driving this thing I am leaning more towards bottom 3's... no shit.

Any way you can get a 275/60 on that thing?.......Id think the 3.55 / 275 would be a good combo for what you have.
............Aint it a great feeling having TOO MUCH power :naughty:


I have not been on here for a while, but I think it is safe to say MISSION ACOMPLISHED :smile

It will be interesting to get this thing to the track, that will be a long new road to go down!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 351 windsor snake on August 25, 2009, 02:45:00 am
Have you scared your self yet ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on August 25, 2009, 02:50:36 am
i am really excited to see what this thing does as i am very  attent on this thing and how it does  :wonder:

 :smile


i  have wanted to play with a turbo for some time and this is just a nice get to the point kick ass little setup... :burnout..that is definetely motivating me ..


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: nitrotim on August 25, 2009, 04:31:41 am
WOW, in my humble opinion the '85-'86 gt verts are the best looking Fox bodies.  This car is just going to make a lot of people cry after they get totally destroyed by you in it.  With the top up its definately sleeper look of the year material...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 25, 2009, 08:50:20 am

Well... so much for the 5 pound spring.

I took it for a cruise last night just to build some boost and see where the AFR was under boost.

With 4.30 gears this things SNAPS to 15 pounds of boost at 3/4 throttle and blows the drag radials off faster than I can let off the throttle. Good news is the AFR is spot on at boost.

With the heads and intake as large as they are;
this thing being only 306 cubic inches;
coupled with Jay's cam;

this thing revs so fuckin' fast I am into boost and have to shift before I go anywhere, and if I shift any later than say 6200 rpms - say goodbye to the shortblock.

So - I have 3.55 gears... but after driving this thing I am leaning more towards bottom 3's... no shit.

Any way you can get a 275/60 on that thing?.......Id think the 3.55 / 275 would be a good combo for what you have.
............Aint it a great feeling having TOO MUCH power :naughty:


I have not been on here for a while, but I think it is safe to say MISSION ACOMPLISHED :smile

It will be interesting to get this thing to the track, that will be a long new road to go down!!

Tim, This would not have even happened if it wasnt for you... thanks again!  Your work and design is top notch!  maxwell


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on August 27, 2009, 06:56:31 pm
Wish you were closer, I've got a 3.27 8.8 under the LTD now, I'm planning to put 4.10 or 4.30's in it.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: BigTang on August 27, 2009, 10:59:59 pm
looks a heck of a lot better than the carb set up in my old 4 eye drop top(pic from the day i picked it up so it was filthy)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb128/tealm0nsta/84vert/DSCF4111.jpg)

lol.

Interesting about the intake getting cold, didn't realize that the alcohol would chill it that much, just figured it would keep it close to ambient. i really need to start researching the E85 since its avail. local.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 03, 2009, 11:52:57 am
3.55 gears are going in today.  I also drove it to the shop that is putting them in - around 30 miles - and the car drove great.

My last combo I was shifting close to 8K so this is quite a change for me... 6K comes so fast.

I plan on taking some "straight" roads on the way home after the gear swap.  I will update...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 04, 2009, 10:11:06 am
The car acts completely different. 

The gear swap, if possible, also seems to have had an effect on what my boost gauge tells me is going on with the Turbo.  Before, the boost pressure would jump to near 15 pounds, or sometimes would not register boost at all... now the gauge seems very repeatable and seemingly accurate...

Funny thing is -

Now the car pulls like a freight train and does not let up... where before it was just "boost and shift", with spikes of pressure and spinning tires...

and the Boost gauge is repeating the same boost number everytime - 3psi. :naughty:

I can only imagine what this thing will do with 15psi... :stangbut:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Fordota on September 04, 2009, 02:24:04 pm
WOW


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 04, 2009, 03:17:04 pm
Nathan can I drive it?   :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 04, 2009, 03:57:27 pm
If you bring her


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 88foxgt on September 04, 2009, 07:04:43 pm
car get side tracked by porn ........again??   ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on September 04, 2009, 09:28:06 pm
Cars and Porn. It doesn't get any better than that.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on September 04, 2009, 09:30:49 pm
Cars and Porn. It doesn't get any better than that.


.........:clap.............amen...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on September 04, 2009, 09:42:50 pm
I cant wait to see what kinda MPH its gonna pull at the track.....lol  Its gonna backhalf like a mutha phucka :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 04, 2009, 10:15:00 pm
I cant wait to see what kinda MPH its gonna pull at the track.....lol  Its gonna backhalf like a mutha phucka :naughty:

 :ahprepare:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 23, 2009, 05:00:10 pm
Unless the current trend of breaking or bending shit continues... :dissap:

I will have this at the track on the 11th and will post up the results.
  :thanx:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 19, 2009, 09:04:25 am
The weather will not cooperate with getting this thing on the track, but I did some considerable street "testing" the last two days.

Tim and I got exhaust put on it.  Straight 3" dumped at the axle.

The car will not idle down, but I can not find a vacum leak or any issue with the carb.  I am thinking the manifold is leaking from the bottom - so its coming off.

May be next year before I actually get this car to the track.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 22, 2009, 10:32:48 am
Kevin at CSU spent a couple hours with me on the telepone the other night getting the carb issues worked out.

I did some extensive street testing yesterday afternoon.

The car is ready to go!

The only issue I have now is that the car simply revs up too quickly.  Even with the 3.55 gears. Its going to be interesting to see what this thing does on the track.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on October 22, 2009, 10:38:53 am

I did some extensive street testing yesterday afternoon.

The car is ready to go!



Were you able to find a quiet stretch of road and get on it real good?  How was it?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 22, 2009, 10:46:53 am

I did some extensive street testing yesterday afternoon.

The car is ready to go!



Were you able to find a quiet stretch of road and get on it real good?  How was it?

Yes and no.  I wasnt able to get it into 3rd gear for very long, but I legged out 1st and second pretty well.

Few things I noticed:
The E85 is very sensitive to have some heat built up in the engine. 

I put on a manual boost controller and was able to see 6psi from the Turbo.  It definitely puts you back in the seat by 3000 rpm.  But as soon as you hit decent boost you have to shift.  Hopefully 3rd and 4th gear will be better (and on a track where I dont have to be on the lookout for traffic, curves, pedestrians etc).  I can honestly say I dont like the 6200 shift point...should have used an aftermarket block so I could safetly go to ... say... 7000.

I may be able to get to Byron Raceway on Sunday and feel comfortable enough to turn the wick up to say 10-12 psi.

I used to own th Purple Pavement Eater (a 5.0 Mustang Rag notchback) with a big Vortech and a 331 that spooled up to 15psi.  This convertible at 6psi seems quite a bit faster... but I am speaking from the butt-o-meter on that one.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Jay Allen on October 22, 2009, 10:51:16 am
The only issue I have now is that the car simply revs up too quickly.  Even with the 3.55 gears. Its going to be interesting to see what this thing does on the track.

But the heads and intake are too big.  :dunno

 :pimp


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 22, 2009, 11:17:24 am
Revs up too quick and feels stronger at 6 psi then the old 331 with 15 lbs of boost.  Sounds great! :clap

Was the Purple Pavement Eater a lighter car than the convertible?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 22, 2009, 11:21:07 am
Revs up too quick and feels stronger at 6 psi then the old 331 with 15 lbs of boost.  Sounds great! :clap

Was the Purple Pavement Eater a lighter car than the convertible?

Now that I have lighted the convertible, and the notch was full weight... I would say they are comparable in weight.

I plan on sending a message to the now owner of the PPE to see if we can line up a race in the spring. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gtvert90 on October 22, 2009, 12:26:04 pm
Nate. Shoot me a PM when you know if your going to byron for sure :ban:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: ETRACER on October 22, 2009, 12:43:33 pm
I do hope you get a chance to get to the track this year.........Nate, when you turn up the boost are you going to raise the shift point then?



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 22, 2009, 04:29:49 pm
I do hope you get a chance to get to the track this year.........Nate, when you turn up the boost are you going to raise the shift point then?



You live in Nevada - so it should be easy!

I am treading lightly with this.  I simply donít know how it is going to act.  Hopefully, with the boost raised - I hope I donít need to raise the shift point... as I will be getting kicked off the track for going to damn fast.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: ETRACER on October 22, 2009, 05:27:44 pm
I do hope you get a chance to get to the track this year.........Nate, when you turn up the boost are you going to raise the shift point then?



You live in Nevada - so it should be easy!

I am treading lightly with this.  I simply donít know how it is going to act.  Hopefully, with the boost raised - I hope I donít need to raise the shift point... as I will be getting kicked off the track for going to damn fast.



Don't forget I live in the Reno area.......track days are just about over.

I remember going to the track for the first time here, I had just thrown together a 351W / Vic jr/ .230-.240 dur .520-.540 lift cam / 10.2: comp, nothing fancy. I go to tech and the inspector said that is a low 11 sec car the car techs to 10.00 but you need a jacket (when 11.99 was cut off), I said this my fist time out with this car I'll be lucky to get in the 12's. He said I'll be watching you!
I ran 4 passes to 1000ft coasting to the line 12.08-12.10. Last pass of the day opened it up and bam to my suprise 11.40 @ 116 mph in a t-shirt and jeans. 4 track officals were in my pit waiting for me. I got the your done for the day and don't come back without your safety gear.

Nothing wrong with getting kicked off the track once :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mxracer652 on October 22, 2009, 06:37:50 pm
Few things I noticed:
The E85 is very sensitive to have some heat built up in the engine. 

Nate, could you expand on this statement above.  I think I "get" what you're saying, but want to be sure.  Have you ran an alcohol based fuel before?   :thanx:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 22, 2009, 09:57:57 pm
Few things I noticed:
The E85 is very sensitive to have some heat built up in the engine. 

Nate, could you expand on this statement above.  I think I "get" what you're saying, but want to be sure.  Have you ran an alcohol based fuel before?   :thanx:

Well... have you ever "GOTTEN ON" a car running on gas and it sputters and stumbles?  With E85 it is much worse.  You have to give the car ample time to get some heat built in it before any spirited driving is concerned.  Alcohol cools stuff as its used, and it requires more volume to do the same job - and I feel those factors compounds the stumbling issue - especially when the temp is cool outside.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Fordota on October 22, 2009, 10:33:05 pm
So are you just saying it needs warmed up longer?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mxracer652 on October 23, 2009, 07:51:11 am
Well... have you ever "GOTTEN ON" a car running on gas and it sputters and stumbles?  With E85 it is much worse.
Gotcha.  I used to beat up piston skirts pretty bad until I started letting my junk idle up to temp (as much as possible), and like you said it is even worse with alcohol.
   


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 23, 2009, 09:24:38 am
Well... have you ever "GOTTEN ON" a car running on gas and it sputters and stumbles?  With E85 it is much worse.
Gotcha.  I used to beat up piston skirts pretty bad until I started letting my junk idle up to temp (as much as possible), and like you said it is even worse with alcohol.
   

Right.

So are you just saying it needs warmed up longer?

Not really - it doesnt need to warm up longer, it just needs to build some heat in the engine.  It doesnt necessarily take any longer - time wise - its just important that you do it!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Fordota on October 23, 2009, 10:05:59 am
gotcha


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 16, 2009, 12:19:43 pm
Well I made it to the track a few weeks ago and it was an absolute worthless experience.  Gonna see some changes for the spring and will then get some seat time with this beast....

I did get this picture though:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/103109007.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Fordota on November 16, 2009, 01:17:45 pm
Thats officially the first and only Fox convertible I have ever liked.

Bad    Ass.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on November 16, 2009, 02:37:04 pm
Why was your recent track outing "worthless"?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 16, 2009, 02:44:43 pm
Why was your recent track outing "worthless"?

Temp was in the 30's.


(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/103109003.jpg)

I rented the track with a bunch of Camaro and vette guys.  Guess what happend 3 times in the first 3 hours - huge oil downs - all small block Chevys.  Then guess what happened to end the day - a new vette and a newer GTO clipped each other at the top end.  

I got two runs in with a clutch that would give up the ghost when I hit 3 psi and a carb that would bog down/practically kill the engine when it was floored after the tires bit.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on November 16, 2009, 07:14:19 pm
I'm sure you'll get it ironed out eventually, problems like those you're having build character :D

BTW, your car looks almost identical to that of a friend of mine in Texas. Have to see if I can find a pic of his...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 07, 2010, 03:52:02 pm
Keep the manual transmission and fight it or go auto?

What to do...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on January 07, 2010, 04:51:37 pm
Go manual VB automatic!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 07, 2010, 07:15:40 pm
Doesn't all that power and a turbo kind of make it an easy decision?  I won't dog you too bad for going automatic. Well at least until baseball season starts. ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Riceinator on January 07, 2010, 07:20:51 pm
Auto would probably be the best choice for consistency. And great looking 'vert btw


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 08, 2010, 10:04:03 am
great looking 'vert btw

 :thanx:

Doesn't all that power and a turbo kind of make it an easy decision?  I won't dog you too bad for going automatic. Well at least until baseball season starts. ;)

I am not sure how much "doggin" you will be able to do this upcoming season.  Unless of course you are talking about how the cubbies are playing like.... dogs....  ;D

I pulled the TKO last night and set it in the corner.

I called my transmission guy this morning to discuss it further... I see myself breaking down and pulling the trigger on an automatic GM transmission....

For the love of God.... what is this world coming to.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 03, 2010, 04:00:00 pm
UPDATE:

Today, I purchased the following:

Mahle forged Pistons and ring set
Eagle 4340 forged chromoly, 3" stroke, Internal Balance crankshaft
Scat forged H-beam connecting rods

BOSS 4-bolt main block M-6010-BOSS302
Splayed 4-bolt main on 2, 3, 4, main caps
8.2" Deck Height



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on February 03, 2010, 04:17:43 pm
3" stroke crank inside of a 8.2" block?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 03, 2010, 04:30:17 pm
3" stroke crank inside of a 8.2" block?

Si

Boss 302 with a turbo...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on February 03, 2010, 09:02:24 pm
I called my transmission guy this morning to discuss it further... I see myself breaking down and pulling the trigger on an automatic GM transmission....

For the love of God.... what is this world coming to.
No love for a ford auto like a built 4R??

Did you sell your old shortblock?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 04, 2010, 09:45:16 am
I called my transmission guy this morning to discuss it further... I see myself breaking down and pulling the trigger on an automatic GM transmission....

For the love of God.... what is this world coming to.
No love for a ford auto like a built 4R??

Did you sell your old shortblock?

I have yet to do anything about the transmission setup.  I am taking my time with this one... but I did talk to my guy about the 4R... it is a possibility.

There is a sale pending on the shortblock, but no money has changed hands...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: ETRACER on February 04, 2010, 01:16:10 pm
UPDATE:

Today, I purchased the following:

Mahle forged Pistons and ring set
Eagle 4340 forged chromoly, 3" stroke, Internal Balance crankshaft
Scat forged H-beam connecting rods

BOSS 4-bolt main block M-6010-BOSS302
Splayed 4-bolt main on 2, 3, 4, main caps
8.2" Deck Height



Plan on really turning the boost up now huh?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 04, 2010, 01:33:00 pm
UPDATE:

Today, I purchased the following:

Mahle forged Pistons and ring set
Eagle 4340 forged chromoly, 3" stroke, Internal Balance crankshaft
Scat forged H-beam connecting rods

BOSS 4-bolt main block M-6010-BOSS302
Splayed 4-bolt main on 2, 3, 4, main caps
8.2" Deck Height



Plan on really turning the boost up now huh?

 :yes:

that and trying to eliminate "racer" excuses of why this and why that...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: ETRACER on February 04, 2010, 01:56:02 pm
UPDATE:

Today, I purchased the following:

Mahle forged Pistons and ring set
Eagle 4340 forged chromoly, 3" stroke, Internal Balance crankshaft
Scat forged H-beam connecting rods

BOSS 4-bolt main block M-6010-BOSS302
Splayed 4-bolt main on 2, 3, 4, main caps
8.2" Deck Height



Plan on really turning the boost up now huh?

 :yes:

that and trying to eliminate "racer" excuses of why this and why that...


I think that was a smart move............(http://planetsmilies.net/eat-drink-smiley-5170.gif) (http://planetsmilies.net)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 24, 2010, 03:32:30 pm
Ran into a dilema.

If I milled the heads enough to get 10:1 compression (what I wanted) with a 3" stroke and a flat top piston... the Turbo piping would have to be changed.

So I added stroke instead.

Boss 327... not sure about that yet... might piss the chevy guys off a little though...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on February 24, 2010, 03:39:33 pm
3.250 crank?

rod?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 24, 2010, 03:42:51 pm
3.250 crank?

rod?

Yep.  4340 Forged

5.4 H Beam rod.

1.175" Forged flat top (TW relief) piston


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on February 24, 2010, 04:02:16 pm
Boss 327... not sure about that yet... might piss the chevy guys off a little though...
Although the more reason to do it... :ban


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: k062693w on February 24, 2010, 11:17:40 pm

In stock form the car weighed 3660 # with a full tank of gas and my ass in the seat.



WOW !!! That's a TON !!! My 85 vert with everything ( A/C, Spare, Jack, Etc...) Only weighed 2920 ... 3190 with me in it !!! Of course I have lost 75 lbs since last April, So we can drop that a little !!! LOL


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: ETRACER on February 25, 2010, 09:38:41 am
Ran into a dilema.

If I milled the heads enough to get 10:1 compression (what I wanted) with a 3" stroke and a flat top piston... the Turbo piping would have to be changed.

Say what........the exhaust piping will move that far from just milling the heads? :hmmmm:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gtvert90 on February 25, 2010, 09:41:44 am
Ran into a dilema.

If I milled the heads enough to get 10:1 compression (what I wanted) with a 3" stroke and a flat top piston... the Turbo piping would have to be changed.

Say what........the exhaust piping will move that far from just milling the heads? :hmmmm:

I thought the same thing.. But if its all welded solid.. And the intake is going to move slightly too... it may be enough to throw it all off.  :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 25, 2010, 10:24:52 am
changed - may be an overstatment.  It would definetly need to be tweeked.  This shit is custom built and fits PERFECT... I dont want to take .040 off of the heads, mill the intake, then see that I have gaps everywhere.

Then I would get stupid and go to a Cleveland head, new pistons (again) and new tubing with a 105mm Turbo.

Then I would be building a 10.5 car and...

Can you see where I am going with this???


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: ETRACER on February 25, 2010, 11:37:52 am
changed - may be an overstatment.  It would definetly need to be tweeked.  This shit is custom built and fits PERFECT... I dont want to take .040 off of the heads, mill the intake, then see that I have gaps everywhere.

Then I would get stupid and go to a Cleveland head, new pistons (again) and new tubing with a 105mm Turbo.

Then I would be building a 10.5 car and...

Can you see where I am going with this???

Yeah! I understand. If I change this, then I might as well change this, this, and this.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on February 25, 2010, 01:23:55 pm
lovin the build man! :party

will i be able to see your car when i come get the block?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on February 25, 2010, 01:31:50 pm
lovin the build man! :party

will i be able to see your car when i come get the block?

Shouldnt be a problem... unless something changes...

Thank you for the compliment.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 06, 2010, 04:06:21 pm
After doing countless hours of research on Auto transmissions for this project, I came to a conclusion.

I can't do it.

Keeping it manual and making it work. 

This is going to get expensive...  :sigh:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 06, 2010, 04:13:42 pm
After doing countless hours of research on Auto transmissions for this project, I came to a conclusion.

I can't do it.

Keeping it manual and making it work. 

This is going to get expensive...  :sigh:

 :jawdrop:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on April 06, 2010, 04:49:46 pm
how come no auto?


so still running the turbo with the manual then?


 :smile


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 06, 2010, 04:51:00 pm
After doing countless hours of research on Auto transmissions for this project, I came to a conclusion.

I can't do it.

Keeping it manual and making it work. 

This is going to get expensive...  :sigh:

 :jawdrop:

Good thing I made all that money beting against the Cubbies EVERY year!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 06, 2010, 04:52:15 pm
how come no auto?


so still running the turbo with the manual then?


 :smile

Just cant do it.  I love stick cars too much.

Yep - its still going to be a Turbo car... just one of the few fast ones with a stick. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on April 06, 2010, 04:57:48 pm

Quote

Just cant do it.  I love stick cars too much.

Yep - its still going to be a Turbo car... just one of the few fast ones with a stick. 

lol....alright got ya...and im partial to the sticks also.. :ban


itll be sweet to see what your new motor and you can muster at the track.... :yes:


 ;D


..


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: ETRACER on April 06, 2010, 05:40:52 pm

Just cant do it.  I love stick cars too much.

Yep - its still going to be a Turbo car... just one of the few fast ones with a stick. 

This is getting good now........them stick parts aint cheap!



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 06, 2010, 08:17:43 pm
Good thing I made all that money beting against the Cubbies EVERY year!

 :spit:  Did Pujols have the flu opening day?  He made an out and only hit two homers. :dunno 

I hope you are able to pull of the stick deal with that much power and a turbo.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 07, 2010, 10:00:29 am
Good thing I made all that money beting against the Cubbies EVERY year!

 :spit:  Did Pujols have the flu opening day?  He made an out and only hit two homers. :dunno 

I hope you are able to pull of the stick deal with that much power and a turbo.

Well... you know Pujos.  Some days his head just isnt in it and that is what happens. 

On a serious note.

I think I can get a TKO600 to last with enough massaging. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: the only Qualk on April 07, 2010, 10:38:13 pm
great build you have mighty mouse i just went through all 18 pages.  :rock  :burnout .
One thing how tall is that bonnet from base to mounting hole in center? and where are the videos? ;) good luck with the build.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 08, 2010, 12:57:02 pm
I took videos of the old combo, but no sound came with it... so it was pretty useless.  I got it straight now, so when the new junk is together - I will get some good video.

You just want the height of the bonnet itself?  Right now I have moved out of my house - and the deal fell through on the place I was supposed to be moving into so all my junk is in storage.  And when I say all my junk - I mean EVERYTHING I own.

So it may be a bit...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 28, 2010, 03:57:45 pm
Things are moving along again.  I finally found a house to buy and am closing in a few weeks.

I purchased a treated and proshifted TKO600, SFI bell, RAM billet flywheel and sintered clutch.  Should be in - in a few weeks.

The first gear is still pretty stout - so I may want to be dropping a rear gear size... we will see how it acts once the shortblock is back from Jim and it gets moving...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mmb on April 28, 2010, 04:06:22 pm
.....  I was hoping to see a 8 second drop top......    :jawdrop: 

Thats cool, at least you will be able to cruise around in it  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 28, 2010, 04:26:08 pm
Dont count me out yet!

I am going to get this stick thing to work... mark my words!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: the only Qualk on May 18, 2010, 08:22:57 pm
any new updates?  :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 19, 2010, 08:55:32 am
any new updates?  :burnout

I just got done moving into my new house.  Still unpacking and getting organized.  Shortblock shouldbe done soon and the transmission setup is here.  I will post up pics when I get a chance.  Thanks for the inquiry!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: nealysa on May 19, 2010, 03:06:41 pm
I hav a TKO 600 done by MMR in my turbo 383.  I hope I can get it to drive around the street as well as the track.  What is first gear in your tko and what rear end gear are you thinking of using?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 19, 2010, 03:11:32 pm
I hav a TKO 600 done by MMR in my turbo 383.  I hope I can get it to drive around the street as well as the track.  What is first gear in your tko and what rear end gear are you thinking of using?

It has the 2.87 first gear.  I am currently running 3.55 gears.  I am thinking I should be moving toward the 3.27 or 3.08 gears.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 06, 2010, 08:46:34 am
Got a call from the Man.

Engine almost done.

We made some changes along the way and the final product is:

Dart block
3.4" forged crank w/ Chevy rod journals.
5.4" H-Beam rods
Flat top pistons
9.7:1 compression
TFS/TEA 205cnc TW heads
Super Vic Intake

I will post pics when I pick it up...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on June 06, 2010, 10:55:28 am
You're putting a turbo on that?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 06, 2010, 02:00:16 pm
You're putting a turbo on that?

Unless he's lost his St. Louis Cardinal loving mind.

Hey Nathan, what bore size did you go with?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on June 06, 2010, 03:51:22 pm
I know the compression is a bit high but him go N/A?  Wow!   :hmmmm:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 06, 2010, 07:04:09 pm
I know the compression is a bit high but him go N/A?  Wow!   :hmmmm:

I think he's running it on moonshine or E85. :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Bradone on June 06, 2010, 07:47:15 pm
I know the compression is a bit high but him go N/A?  Wow!   :hmmmm:

I think he's running it on moonshine or E85. :dunno

Can't be moonshine, 4th run is only 155 proof. He is planning on running 170 proof. My very discerning liver can't tell the difference.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on June 06, 2010, 10:04:50 pm
I know the compression is a bit high but him go N/A?  Wow!   :hmmmm:

I think he's running it on moonshine or E85. :dunno

Can't be moonshine, 4th run is only 155 proof. He is planning on running 170 proof. My very discerning liver can't tell the difference.

I remember the Everclear sold in AZ that was IIRC 190 proof   :jawdrop:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 07, 2010, 10:16:42 am
Yes.  It will have a turbo.

And Nate is right - running this puppy on liquid corn!  Gotta suport the farmers "dontcha know"...

 :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 07, 2010, 01:15:23 pm
You're putting a turbo on that?

Unless he's lost his St. Louis Cardinal loving mind.

Hey Nathan, what bore size did you go with?

4.04 - as cubic inches were not as important as other aspects.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gmkillr on June 07, 2010, 01:23:59 pm
Refresh my memory....is Woody building this engine? What c.i.?



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 07, 2010, 01:47:54 pm
is Woody building this engine?

Of course.

and the cam is from Jay.



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on June 07, 2010, 01:54:54 pm
:spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 07, 2010, 03:53:57 pm
You're putting a turbo on that?

Unless he's lost his St. Louis Cardinal loving mind.

Hey Nathan, what bore size did you go with?

4.04 - as cubic inches were not as important as other aspects.

Using the previous pistons?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 08, 2010, 10:51:13 am
You're putting a turbo on that?

Unless he's lost his St. Louis Cardinal loving mind.

Hey Nathan, what bore size did you go with?

4.04 - as cubic inches were not as important as other aspects.

Using the previous pistons?

Nope.  Kind of a long story.  But due in part to head gasket longevity and other big boost concerns.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on June 08, 2010, 10:54:26 am
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt244/liljoe07/thread_sucks.jpg)

 :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 08, 2010, 10:58:18 am
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt244/liljoe07/thread_sucks.jpg)

 :spit:

 :lmaoflr:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on June 08, 2010, 11:04:23 am
 :lmaoflr: :lmaoflr: :lmaoflr: :lmaoflr:

I am dying laughing over. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 08, 2010, 11:05:00 am
Its getting better though

(http://www.fordstrokers.com/nate.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on June 08, 2010, 11:07:45 am
You got a thing for black Nate?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 08, 2010, 11:20:17 am
You got a thing for black Nate?

Well... you know what they say!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on June 08, 2010, 11:23:19 am
Yes, and ill just take their word for it.  ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 10, 2010, 04:55:55 pm
Picked the shortblock up last night.

Thanks again Woodrow!

I am in my other office this week and I have a wedding I am officiating this weekend so I wont get to pictures or putting it together till next week. 

Pretty cool junk though!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 15, 2010, 04:54:20 pm
Camera need batteries.

But...  The engine progress is ... well... progressing.  Just a few snags.

I forgot to grab the balancer while at Woody's so he is shipping it to me.  

Anyone know where I can get a oil pump gasket?  Apparently - parts stores do not feel the need to offer these for sale without the purchase of a new oil pump.

Jesel shafts are on the way (big thanks to Rich (fast88) and Mark (MMB))!

Car is at my brother's getting the engine bay welded up.

Will it be done in time for Car Craft?  I am crossing my fingers.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on June 15, 2010, 04:59:27 pm


damn no pics...i have reread this build many times... ;D.. and i am really digging it..and the gasket woody doesnt have some to give ya? i have some but im not really local ..

gettin the bay welded up huh..cool pics please...as i would like to see how it looks/room wise with the turbo and components in there.

as i welded mine up and sheetmetal in a new piece so i lost just a hair bit of room.


whens car craft..?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on June 15, 2010, 06:38:40 pm
Just had to be on top of the project board. ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 15, 2010, 08:00:48 pm
Just had to be on top of the project board. ;D

Makes it look like he's doing something in his spare time aside from watching the Cards. ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on June 15, 2010, 08:35:50 pm
:spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: forcefed95 on June 16, 2010, 01:04:22 am
Are you going to stay with the blow thru carb setup?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 16, 2010, 10:38:52 am
Are you going to stay with the blow thru carb setup?

Yep.  For now at least.  The changes I made this go around have rather exhausted the budget. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 16, 2010, 10:39:20 am
Just had to be on top of the project board. ;D

You know me... Attention whore extrodinaire!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: forcefed95 on June 16, 2010, 11:49:49 am
Not sure if I missed it or not but what turbo setup are you going to use?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 16, 2010, 11:56:10 am
Not sure if I missed it or not but what turbo setup are you going to use?

My brother and I built it.  Its a one off custom type deal.  I am using a 76mm T4 turbo if that is what you are wondering. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 20, 2010, 09:35:23 am
Well I had a few hours yesterday and made some progress.  The little stuff takes forever!

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2666.jpg)
The pickup stud is huge (as its designed for a Windsor (1/2 main studs).  So it needed to be cut down so I could fit the oil pan.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2672.jpg)

Cut down - oil pump and pickup installed.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2669.jpg)
Oil pan studs installed.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2673.jpg)


(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2667.jpg)Just a picture of the Rods/bolts.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2671.jpg)
Head studs installed.



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: forcefed95 on June 20, 2010, 09:48:46 am
It looks like one hell of a good setup. When are you hoping to have it running? Are you going to stick with the tko now that you are going with the turbo setup?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 20, 2010, 10:59:36 am
It looks like one hell of a good setup. When are you hoping to have it running? Are you going to stick with the tko now that you are going with the turbo setup?

Its due on the dyno in mid-july.  I hope to make it. 

Yes.  I am keeping with the manual (street machine style/theme) trans.  I vowed to make it work.  Hopefully I will succeed.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on June 20, 2010, 11:02:49 am
Looking good brotha!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 20, 2010, 11:06:12 am
Looking good brotha!!

Thanks big guy.  It never surprises me though that the more you pay for junk... the less of a "bolt together and go" it turns out to be.

I am currently waiting for my cam thrust plate to be machined to accept the countersunk bolts for the over priced timing chain.  I can not degree the cam or check p2v until that is done....  so .....

In the mean time I am modifying the heads to work with the big head studs, getting the Jesel shafts setup, and welding up some holes in the engine bay.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on June 20, 2010, 11:10:01 am
yeah....lol....once you get to a certain level.....nothing seems to bolt up or go as planned....everything ends up being custom is one way or another ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on June 20, 2010, 03:57:42 pm
looks good nathan.

maybe a stupid question but are u engine dyno'ing it? and as N/A or with the turbo setup installed?

or chassis dyno'ing it..?

thanx..


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on June 20, 2010, 06:33:45 pm
Thanks big guy.  It never surprises me though that the more you pay for junk... the less of a "bolt together and go" it turns out to be.
I'm learning that too, tHe faster you want to go the less likely any parts will bolt on without some sort of mod.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 20, 2010, 06:40:07 pm
looks good nathan.

maybe a stupid question but are u engine dyno'ing it? and as N/A or with the turbo setup installed?

or chassis dyno'ing it..?

thanx..

Chassis.  Just for fun really.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: forcefed95 on June 20, 2010, 09:36:10 pm
I hope the tko works out for you. I'm going to tear mine apart this winter and am throwing a 74mm precision on mine. I'm going to try to make this 6 speed work. I know I can go faster with the auto but I'm afraid it will take away from the fun of banging gears.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on June 20, 2010, 09:53:14 pm
I hope the tko works out for you. I'm going to tear mine apart this winter and am throwing a 74mm precision on mine. I'm going to try to make this 6 speed work. I know I can go faster with the auto but I'm afraid it will take away from the fun of banging gears.

Get a full manual VB and you will have to bang gears again -- but NEVER a clutch plate nor clutch pedal though!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 21, 2010, 04:42:08 am
It looks like one hell of a good setup. When are you hoping to have it running? Are you going to stick with the tko now that you are going with the turbo setup?

Its due on the dyno in mid-july.  I hope to make it. 

Yes.  I am keeping with the manual (street machine style/theme) trans.  I vowed to make it work.  Hopefully I will succeed.

I would love to see you make the manual work.  Won't be betting money on it though. LOL  I hope you succeed too.

When are we going to cruise PCH in that bad boy convertible. LOL


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 21, 2010, 11:41:56 am
Funny you should ask Nate.  My buddy gets back from Afganistan next June.  He wants to do two things:  Canoe a quiet river in Iowa/Minnesota and take a cruise to California.  We will look  you up when we do!

The car 'oughta' be done by then!



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 22, 2010, 09:58:39 am
For the first time, in a long time, I took a simple maching job local instead of bugging Woody with it.

I simply had the cam thrust plate machined for countersunk allen head bolts.  A simple job on a drill press.  They were done same day - but my bill was $69.29.  I coughed a little...

But anyway - now I can get the cam degreed in etc...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on June 22, 2010, 12:25:01 pm
All the fab work on that car, and you farmed that out?

Vacation time Nathan.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 22, 2010, 01:00:02 pm
Funny you should ask Nate.  My buddy gets back from Afganistan next June.  He wants to do two things:  Canoe a quiet river in Iowa/Minnesota and take a cruise to California.  We will look  you up when we do!

The car 'oughta' be done by then!



Sounds good to me. :)

I simply had the cam thrust plate machined for countersunk allen head bolts.  A simple job on a drill press.  They were done same day - but my bill was $69.29.  I coughed a little...

OUCH!  Had a friend do the job on his drill press.  I need to give him a call and thank him again. LOL


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 23, 2010, 10:14:27 am
Made some more progress yesterday.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2675.jpg)
New timing chain (which required the countersunk bolts) versus the mere mortals timing chain.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2676.jpg)
setting up to test the "lift at TDC" of the cam.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2679.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2680.jpg)
Yeah thats a Penny.  Its how I roll... dimes are to expensive.  I just stuck that to the lifter to give my dial indicator something to sit on.  Cam sheet specs Lift at TDC as "411"... my numbers checked out at "409".  Good enough for the girls I date!

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2677.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2678.jpg)
Next was clay checking the piston for "P to V" clearance.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2681.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2682.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2685.jpg)
I was "A-OK"... in fact, I dont even think the exhaust valve touched the clay.


(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2683.jpg)
Chamber shape

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2686.jpg)
I then checked pushrod length.  6.7".  Pretty good line if I do say so myself...

Engine is now ready to be buttoned up.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on June 23, 2010, 10:16:49 am
Looking good Nathan.

Hey, next time try to get that indicator rod perpendicular to the lifter!  You're losing a .001" or so of accuracy there! ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 23, 2010, 10:20:32 am
Looking good Nathan.

Hey, next time try to get that indicator rod perpendicular to the lifter!  You're losing a .001" or so of accuracy there! ;D

That pissed Lincoln off... so much in fact he wouldnt allow the needle to rest on his head.  It was pissing me off to no end and I could not find the flat disc I usually use (MIA)... so I made it work. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 23, 2010, 10:39:04 am
Everything is looking good to me.  Keep up the good work. :clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on June 23, 2010, 01:42:33 pm
lookin good sir. ;D

any updated pics of how the engine bay is coming...

and that was a 3.5 downpipe if i remember right?  just want to see how much room with the turbo and stuff in there with the shaved bay/also how u did it, as i have shaved mine and look at all these pics and looks like depending on where u can put the turbo/pipes  i might of cut off some valuable room.. :wonder:

thanx.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 23, 2010, 01:45:14 pm
No pics yet.  I will get some up soon.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 24, 2010, 11:29:03 am
Someone hurry up and tell me that my current Turbo is big enough for a convertible.

Please.

I found a deal on a 91mm T6 turbo... which will require all new piping/setup.  Must hold back!!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on June 24, 2010, 11:33:39 am
Someone hurry up and tell me that my current Turbo is big enough for a convertible.

Please.

I found a deal on a 91mm T6 turbo... which will require all new piping/setup.  Must hold back!!!

 :wonder:

i remember your turbo...looks mighty small compared to a 91mm t6 :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Alex on June 24, 2010, 11:37:08 am
/convince mode: [on] off

It's 100% obvious to me that your set up would benefit from a 91mm T6 turbo.

As it stands your set up is definitely being held back because of your current turbo.

/convince mode: on [off]


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on June 24, 2010, 11:42:23 am
Someone hurry up and tell me that my current Turbo is big enough for a convertible.

Please.

I found a deal on a 91mm T6 turbo... which will require all new piping/setup.  Must hold back!!!

I believe you'll already have trouble with the current power.  Get the car and driver dailed in at the current power level and then down the road hunt for a deal on a 91mm T6.  Heck, you could even buy the big turbo and leave it on the shelf for later.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 24, 2010, 11:50:20 am
/convince mode: [on] off

It's 100% obvious to me that your set up would benefit from a 91mm T6 turbo.

As it stands your set up is definitely being held back because of your current turbo.

/convince mode: on [off]

You guys are no help.

Someone hurry up and tell me that my current Turbo is big enough for a convertible.

Please.

I found a deal on a 91mm T6 turbo... which will require all new piping/setup.  Must hold back!!!

I believe you'll already have trouble with the current power.  Get the car and driver dailed in at the current power level and then down the road hunt for a deal on a 91mm T6.  Heck, you could even buy the big turbo and leave it on the shelf for later.

Thanks Nate.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on June 24, 2010, 11:51:29 am
Go big or go home you puss! ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 24, 2010, 11:57:57 am
Go big or go home you puss! ;D

You pay for it then...!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Alex on June 24, 2010, 11:59:22 am
Someone hurry up and tell me that my current Turbo is big enough for a convertible.

Please.

I found a deal on a 91mm T6 turbo... which will require all new piping/setup.  Must hold back!!!


You guys are no help.




Hey, I'm only doing what you asked us to do... you're a big boy, if you want to hold back then you'll make that decision... BUT I'll feed your habit if you ask me to ;)

Unless we are talking about drugs or gambling... those I will not support.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 24, 2010, 12:06:54 pm
Someone hurry up and tell me that my current Turbo is big enough for a convertible.

Please.

I found a deal on a 91mm T6 turbo... which will require all new piping/setup.  Must hold back!!!


You guys are no help.




Hey, I'm only doing what you asked us to do... you're a big boy, if you want to hold back then you'll make that decision... BUT I'll feed your habit if you ask me to ;)

Unless we are talking about drugs or gambling... those I will not support.


 :thumb:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 01, 2010, 09:32:35 am
Working on smoothing out the engine bay. 

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/tobypspanel2.jpg)
Passenger side patch panel.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/tobydspanel.jpg)
Drivers side patch panel.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/tobycowlpanel.jpg)
I removed the heater core etc... so that was filled as well.

All the panels are from Scott Rod Fab. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on July 01, 2010, 09:41:34 am
i like that style of smoothing more than what i did. on my newest fox i'll do what you're doing. looks good by the way. keep up the good work!

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/tantrum226/new%20build/IMG_2122.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 01, 2010, 10:21:53 am
i like that style of smoothing more than what i did. on my newest fox i'll do what you're doing. looks good by the way. keep up the good work!

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/tantrum226/new%20build/IMG_2122.jpg)

Thank you.  But I can be given no credit for this other than being the guy with the cash.  Scott Rod Fab designed the panels and my brother Tim (65svtfastback) is doing the welding. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on July 01, 2010, 10:32:58 am
aww! you should have hired me! i would have come out to weld it up for ya and do your smoothing ;)

in either case its coming along great! I can't wait to see the finished product!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mmb on July 01, 2010, 10:43:08 am
Damn old lady is really going to like it now with the A/C delete option   :orglaugh


Looking good!!! 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 15, 2010, 01:59:44 pm
So with the garage being built etc... the car junk has slowed down.  I am just going to dyno it locally instead of at the Dyno challenge.

I hit a VERY small snag and I have not had time to get back to it.

Seems with a dart block my solid engine mounts need some massaging/grinding to fit.  Will take all of 45 seconds to do... but I have not done it.  Otherwise it is ready to drop in.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 15, 2010, 02:36:22 pm
It's ALWAYS something, huh?  Good luck -- hopefully it won't give you any trouble after that.


Awaiting more awesome pics!   :thanx:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gmkillr on July 15, 2010, 04:25:54 pm
Yeah I had to grind a small notch on my driver side solid mount to get it to fit around the dart block. Hit her up on he bench grinder for a bit and she was good!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 1980c10 on July 15, 2010, 04:40:00 pm
what are your current turbo specs?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 16, 2010, 09:16:49 am
what are your current turbo specs?

76mm w. .96 ar


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 1980c10 on July 16, 2010, 08:21:29 pm
go bigger lol precision 91mm ftw


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on September 10, 2010, 02:06:05 pm
any thing new here nathan?

any shots of the engine bay done up or ..?


 :thanx:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 13, 2010, 05:08:19 pm
any thing new here nathan?

any shots of the engine bay done up or ..?


 :thanx:

I have spent nearly my entire summer of weekends working on the garage/addition to my house.  The car is back inside though... so thats a positive.  But it has had a cover on it for the last 3 weeks or so. 

I could post pics of my new garage if that helps  ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on September 13, 2010, 07:17:10 pm

Quote


I could post pics of my new garage if that helps  ;)

ive seen those ones , but hey if u want post up some others or new ones of the garage..with the car in it though......lol..


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 22, 2010, 03:38:29 pm
any thing new here nathan?

any shots of the engine bay done up or ..?


 :thanx:

Well.  I did something to the engine and took a pic of it.  Just to keep my sanity... I repainted the oil pan that has served me well for over 5 years.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on September 22, 2010, 04:18:05 pm
oil pan studs?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 22, 2010, 04:24:19 pm
oil pan studs?

Yep - I will never use oil pan bolts again!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fogged306 on September 22, 2010, 04:35:43 pm
oil pan studs?

Yep - I will never use oil pan bolts again!

Why is that, better seal with studs?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on September 22, 2010, 04:44:04 pm
oil pan studs?

Yep - I will never use oil pan bolts again!

the motor i bought from you will be stud everything(except for header studs i think. i guess ive never seen oil pan studs, it kool! where you get them?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 22, 2010, 04:56:03 pm
oil pan studs?

Yep - I will never use oil pan bolts again!

Why is that, better seal with studs?

 That is one reason yes.  Less leaks. 

But also for ease of use as I have no issues with getting bolts started because of gasket creep.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 22, 2010, 04:58:19 pm
oil pan studs?

Yep - I will never use oil pan bolts again!

the motor i bought from you will be stud everything(except for header studs i think. i guess ive never seen oil pan studs, it kool! where you get them?

ARP makes some, but the cost is outrageuos (shocking, I know) - and they are not broached for allen wrenches.  So I got lookin around and found these stainless steel ones broached on Egay for about half of ARPs oxide ones.  Its not like they need the 190,000 psi strength ARP claims their studs hold.... its for an oil pan for crying out loud.  Same with valve cover studs - I figured that out after I paid an arm and a leg for the ARP ones.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on September 22, 2010, 05:13:40 pm
oil pan studs?

Yep - I will never use oil pan bolts again!

the motor i bought from you will be stud everything(except for header studs i think. i guess ive never seen oil pan studs, it kool! where you get them?

ARP makes some, but the cost is outrageuos (shocking, I know) - and they are not broached for allen wrenches.  So I got lookin around and found these stainless steel ones broached on Egay for about half of ARPs oxide ones.  Its not like they need the 190,000 psi strength ARP claims their studs hold.... its for an oil pan for crying out loud.  Same with valve cover studs - I figured that out after I paid an arm and a leg for the ARP ones.

 :spit:

hehehe, yea i hear ya. very overkill for studs.

i'll have to check egay for the studs here soon since i'll be purchasing my pump, oil pan and pickup very soon. been taking a while to build this motor because of my truck project, but as soon as i sell it(big bucks hopefully) the mustang project will fly together.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 22, 2010, 05:16:48 pm
as soon as i sell it(big bucks hopefully) the mustang project will fly together.
:Gluck:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 88foxgt on September 22, 2010, 07:21:22 pm
oil pan studs?

Yep - I will never use oil pan bolts again!

Why is that, better seal with studs?

 That is one reason yes.  Less leaks. 

But also for ease of use as I have no issues with getting bolts started because of gasket creep.

sooooo..... if you were changing from a stock pan w/ pan rails, to a canton oil pan, do you use or junk the side rails?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 23, 2010, 09:57:00 am
I would use them if I had them...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on September 23, 2010, 11:00:08 am
oil pan studs?

Yep - I will never use oil pan bolts again!

Why is that, better seal with studs?

 That is one reason yes.  Less leaks. 

But also for ease of use as I have no issues with getting bolts started because of gasket creep.

sooooo..... if you were changing from a stock pan w/ pan rails, to a canton oil pan, do you use or junk the side rails?

My Canton kit came with studs and I reused the stock side rails.  I suggest using them, because otherwise some of the nuts will only engage the pan on their edge.  In other words, they won't sit flat against the pan once tightened.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 88foxgt on September 30, 2010, 10:26:24 am
I would use them if I had them...

thanks


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 06, 2010, 03:51:54 pm
Yesterday I had a little time.

I mocked up my big boy elec water pump....

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2762.jpg)

and just a photo of the CSU carb... for kicks.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2030.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on October 06, 2010, 03:56:26 pm
That's a monster water pump!  Why the relocated oil filter, or is that for use with a cooler?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 06, 2010, 04:00:49 pm
That's a monster water pump!  Why the relocated oil filter, or is that for use with a cooler?

Turbo headers face forward.  Their proximity to the oil filter was making me a little weary.  Hence the relocation.  Which is a Ford part incidentally...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on October 06, 2010, 04:24:10 pm
Do you know the PN?  I have a buddy that needs one.


VVVV Thanks juiced coupe!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on October 06, 2010, 04:34:03 pm
Do you know the PN?  I have a buddy that needs one.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FMS-M-6880-A50/


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 07, 2010, 02:45:08 am
Nice boosters in that carburetor. :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 07, 2010, 10:27:02 am
Nice boosters in that carburetor. :naughty:

Yep - those boosters and the CSU power valve make all the difference in making "blow-thru" extremely streetable. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Rotax on October 07, 2010, 11:38:52 pm
Nice build, how high do you plan on twisting this one?
Btw, i'm also keeping a stick on my turbo car.    :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on October 07, 2010, 11:42:18 pm
Nice boosters in that carburetor. :naughty:

Yep - those boosters and the CSU power valve make all the difference in making "blow-thru" extremely streetable. 


How much compression does that engine have?


How do you remove ignition timing?

Is it linear with how much boost is being created?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 08, 2010, 10:03:21 am
Nice boosters in that carburetor. :naughty:

Yep - those boosters and the CSU power valve make all the difference in making "blow-thru" extremely streetable. 


How much compression does that engine have?


How do you remove ignition timing?

Is it linear with how much boost is being created?

This particular engine is 9.75:1. 

Nice build, how high do you plan on twisting this one?
Btw, i'm also keeping a stick on my turbo car.    :burnout

Thank you.  I plan to "twist" this one as high as is effective.  One reason I went with the aftermarket block - to limit the excuses and make it a little more worry free.

I am having a glide built JIC I want to give up on the stick.... that way there will be little downtime as it will be sitting in my shop.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Rotax on October 08, 2010, 11:07:51 am
Nice build evolution, from a 306 with 408 pistons in stock block with a stick, to a Dart 349 glide.

Can't stop ourselves!  :chair   When is the 25.x chassis?  :laugh


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: WildWillyWalker on October 25, 2010, 10:11:23 pm
Well good sir this is an AMAZING thread.  I'd love to see what kind of power something like that makes.  It's just such a sweet build.

Did it take very long to put those fender plates in?  I'm having my friend weld in the holes and I'm grinding everything smooth.  Body filling will come soon.  It's just such a pain in the butt.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 25, 2010, 10:15:22 pm
Nice build evolution, from a 306 with 408 pistons in stock block with a stick, to a Dart 349 glide.

Can't stop ourselves!  :chair   When is the 25.x chassis?  :laugh

Dont tempt me...

I am already amassing parts for a 347/TKO600 to slide in this vert and turn it back into a driver...

and grabbing something else to get serious with on the track.  With maybe a 105mm Turbo . . .  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Rotax on October 25, 2010, 10:15:33 pm
BTW, love the black intake.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 25, 2010, 10:17:08 pm
Well good sir this is an AMAZING thread.  I'd love to see what kind of power something like that makes.  It's just such a sweet build.

Did it take very long to put those fender plates in?  I'm having my friend weld in the holes and I'm grinding everything smooth.  Body filling will come soon.  It's just such a pain in the butt.

The welding took my brother a few hours.  THe grinding/filling is taking forever - mainly because I never seem to find the time to do it!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 22, 2010, 01:04:00 pm
Turbo kit is for sale

http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,28437.new.html#new


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on November 22, 2010, 01:20:51 pm
what are u up to now... :wonder:




Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 22, 2010, 01:35:30 pm
Think Big.

or maybe...

think bigger...

I have not bought anything yet.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on November 22, 2010, 01:39:01 pm
twins huh... :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Night Terror on November 22, 2010, 07:22:47 pm
Hey just curious why did you change from a Boss 8.2 block to a Dart 8.2 block? cost factor? durability?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: TooFast98Cobra on November 23, 2010, 11:37:52 am
nice build!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 23, 2010, 01:53:04 pm
Hey just curious why did you change from a Boss 8.2 block to a Dart 8.2 block? cost factor? durability?

By a simple turn of events. 
My machinest is a pretty cool guy. 



But dont tell him I said so!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 10, 2011, 02:50:37 pm
Things are moving once again.

The CSU carb and Super Vic carbed intake are sold.

There is now a Super Vic EFI intake and rails in their place and the Holley EFI kit is on order.  :rock

I will take pics and post them as I move on this..... should be pretty!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on January 10, 2011, 03:25:58 pm
Things are moving once again.

The CSU carb and Super Vic carbed intake are sold.

There is now a Super Vic EFI intake and rails in their place and the Holley EFI kit is on order.  :rock

I will take pics and post them as I move on this..... should be pretty!

you ever get that engine bay finished up?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 10, 2011, 03:34:33 pm
Things are moving once again.

The CSU carb and Super Vic carbed intake are sold.

There is now a Super Vic EFI intake and rails in their place and the Holley EFI kit is on order.  :rock

I will take pics and post them as I move on this..... should be pretty!

you ever get that engine bay finished up?

Nope.  You wanna volunteer?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on January 10, 2011, 04:20:44 pm
Things are moving once again.

The CSU carb and Super Vic carbed intake are sold.

There is now a Super Vic EFI intake and rails in their place and the Holley EFI kit is on order.  :rock

I will take pics and post them as I move on this..... should be pretty!

you ever get that engine bay finished up?

Nope.  You wanna volunteer?

Lol, I don't have a thing going on right now so I'd certainly be more than willing to finish that up for you but it's not like walkin' over to my neighbor's house. :drink


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 13, 2011, 11:53:11 am
The new intake
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN2948.jpg)
Do I powdercoat it black or silver?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on January 13, 2011, 12:58:31 pm
I think it looks good natural, but if you're going to powdercoat it I'd say silver.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 13, 2011, 08:09:54 pm
Will it be tough to have the silver powder coat match well with the aluminum heads and valve covers?  If so I say black.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on January 13, 2011, 08:20:05 pm
......remember the good ole days when it just took a cool set of valve covers to be cool? :hmmmm:


Keep swingin' Nathan!! That thing is gonna be outta control!! :clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on January 13, 2011, 08:30:35 pm
......remember the good ole days when it just took a cool set of valve covers to be cool? :hmmmm:

That crowd is still out there. I had my hood open the other day, and all this guy wanted to talk about was my air filter (filter top type)  :wonder:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FourtyOneFord on January 13, 2011, 10:49:55 pm
 :clap  Great job!  I really enjoyed reading this thread...

  That super vic looked so good in black, why not go black, also thanks for the tip about oil pan studs, seems like a great way to fly.

 :sbftits: TWIN TURBO 347 what fun


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 14, 2011, 09:41:23 am
Will it be tough to have the silver powder coat match well with the aluminum heads and valve covers?  If so I say black.

Leaning that way.  My powdercoat guy can do any color... or any design... but I think the basic black will look the best with the polished rails and valve covers.
......remember the good ole days when it just took a cool set of valve covers to be cool? :hmmmm:


Keep swingin' Nathan!! That thing is gonna be outta control!! :clap

Rich buddy... there are days I wish I was still at that level.  Of course I would be 18 again chasing high school girls and drinkin to much without a care in the world...

 :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 18, 2011, 03:30:10 pm
Jim from the Car Shop called...

Holley junk is in.  I CAN NOT WAIT!

I also had him look into some 120lb injectors. 

He said "what the hell are you buildin'?"

 ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 20, 2011, 11:51:33 am
Good friend of mine just bought a bunch of polishing junk and wanted to try it out.  Asked me if I needed anything rubbed out.  All jokes aside...

I gave him my fuel rails to work on. 

One on the left is out of the box, one on the right is his start on em...

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/Injector_Rails.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 20, 2011, 01:22:16 pm
Looks like your buddy is doing one heck of a job.  Once they look that good you'll kill yourself trying to keep 'em clean. 

I've polished a few things and have never been able to get aluminum to have a show quality finish.  Then it gets water spots or coolant on it somehow. :rant  Small pieces of stainless are much easier for me.

Good friend of mine just asked me if I needed anything rubbed out. 

Your friends really care about you.  Maybe a little too much. :donttell:  :orglaugh



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 20, 2011, 01:30:00 pm
Good friend of mine just asked me if I needed anything rubbed out. 

Your friends really care about you.  Maybe a little too much. :donttell:  :orglaugh


:D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 29, 2011, 12:56:13 pm
Here is the longblock - almost ready to go it.  Looks like I hit a "minor" snag.  Not sure what to do with this!!!

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/010.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on January 29, 2011, 01:24:41 pm
Is your throttle arm lever hitting a fuel rail?   :dunno

"Carb" spacer -- open plenum type?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: TooFast98Cobra on January 29, 2011, 01:52:00 pm
looks good to me! I don't see it?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 29, 2011, 02:39:14 pm
Is your throttle arm lever hitting a fuel rail?   :dunno

"Carb" spacer -- open plenum type?

Yep... the linked picture can be blown up quite large.  Its obvious when you look at it...

Carb spacer is a great idea.... but I have about 1/4" hood clearance as is.  Unless I re-route the cold side.  Which might have to be done.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on January 29, 2011, 03:30:22 pm
Is your throttle arm lever hitting a fuel rail?   :dunno

"Carb" spacer -- open plenum type?

Yep... the linked picture can be blown up quite large.  Its obvious when you look at it...

Carb spacer is a great idea.... but I have about 1/4" hood clearance as is.  Unless I re-route the cold side.  Which might have to be done.


I take it that you don't want to "get more hood"?

What hood is on now?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gtvert90 on January 29, 2011, 03:40:54 pm
anyway to rotate it 90* and modify the throttle cable and have the linkage in the rear? is there room?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: bender460 on January 29, 2011, 05:02:24 pm
anyway to rotate it 90* and modify the throttle cable and have the linkage in the rear? is there room?

  With a stock efi cable the linkage to the front will work better. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on January 29, 2011, 06:54:52 pm
Either way its a piece of shit. Best thing on it will be the oil pressure tube. ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on January 29, 2011, 07:07:59 pm
Carb spacer is a great idea.... but I have about 1/4" hood clearance as is.  Unless I re-route the cold side.  Which might have to be done.

What about drop mounts. Thats a extra 3/4" it you have room around the oil pan and exhaust.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 30, 2011, 08:33:04 am
I tried rotating it... that wont work for other clearance and bolting issues.

Rich (fast88 and I) were talking and I had him measure a 4150 carb as I didnt have one laying around anymore...

so...

After some more review I think I have solved the minor issue.  

The 4150 Holley Throttle Body is 2.1875" tall
A Holley 4150 Carb is 3.48 inches tall.

The lower portion of the throttle linkage intersects the rail by almost exactly one inch so...

Looks like the addition of a 1" spacer will cure it!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 30, 2011, 08:39:00 am
Either way its a piece of shit. Best thing on it will be the oil pressure tube. ;D

Your probably right...
Carb spacer is a great idea.... but I have about 1/4" hood clearance as is.  Unless I re-route the cold side.  Which might have to be done.

What about drop mounts. Thats a extra 3/4" it you have room around the oil pan and exhaust.

I thought about that - especially since I am making a new hot side for the much larger Turbo...  I still may do this or go to a motor plate setup


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 16, 2011, 06:22:17 pm
UPDATE:

I almost gave up and just sold the whole lot the other day.  Glad I didnt... I have new energy... new energy to call my "body" guy to pick this thing up and finish the engine compartment up for me.  I just dont have the time (tax season) and I dont want to put it off any longer as I want to drive it this summer.  Should be on the trailer by this weekend going over there...

In other news, the 1" spacer didnt give me enough clearance.  I was contemplating just turning the throttle body 90* but decided it would look better if I just had a 1 3/8" carb spacer made for me.  Should be done anyday.



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Matt Paul on March 16, 2011, 07:48:17 pm
I thought about that - especially since I am making a new hot side for the much larger Turbo...  I still may do this or go to a motor plate setup

At this point in the game Nate your best bet is to motor plate it, anything else would be a waste of money and time might as well pick up the durability with the plates and the engine will sit about 1in the 2in lower with plates.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 17, 2011, 12:20:35 pm
I thought about that - especially since I am making a new hot side for the much larger Turbo...  I still may do this or go to a motor plate setup

At this point in the game Nate your best bet is to motor plate it, anything else would be a waste of money and time might as well pick up the durability with the plates and the engine will sit about 1in the 2in lower with plates.

I agree Mat.  That will be my plan next year - I will be fabbing up the bigger turbo at that time as well.  Right now I am pretty broke... in the mindset that I spent enough on this junk as it is.  Its just a fun car, not a sponsored race car or anything.

I am going to throw on the old turbo setup so I can drive this heap this summer.  Next winter I should have some more ambition and the willingness to spend on greenbacks on it.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 13, 2011, 08:54:34 pm
Some crappy cell phone pics... but I did have some time to work on it this weekend. 

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mightymouse351w/0410111906a.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mightymouse351w/0410111906.jpg)

and the new alternator bracket from Mr. Price.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mightymouse351w/0410111905.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 13, 2011, 11:30:23 pm
Looking good! :clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FourtyOneFord on April 14, 2011, 11:37:46 am
Silly turbo, headers on backwards...  :spit:



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on April 14, 2011, 02:47:37 pm
looks good...

is the cross over really close to the oil filter..?  just curious any problems? do u wrap it or anything?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 14, 2011, 02:55:44 pm
looks good...

is the cross over really close to the oil filter..?  just curious any problems? do u wrap it or anything?

The crossover pipe is close to the filter yes, but there is about 3/4" clear there... the crossover piping is double wrapped and the headers are ceramic coated...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: the only Qualk on April 25, 2011, 05:33:31 pm
you have a link for that alternator mount? i am making one for mine to work but once i can afford to i look to buy something similar to the one you have. thanks. and engine is looking great cant wait to see how the efi goes


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 25, 2011, 07:22:33 pm
you have a link for that alternator mount? i am making one for mine to work but once i can afford to i look to buy something similar to the one you have. thanks. and engine is looking great cant wait to see how the efi goes

Here is the only thread on this board about the product:
http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,29942.msg322185.html#msg322185

The "maker" of the bracket is Aaron P http://sbftech.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1141


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 29, 2011, 02:10:38 pm
slowly making progress:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/0429111246.jpg)
headers and merge bolted up.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/0429111235.jpg)
engine bay coming along.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on April 29, 2011, 02:32:15 pm
Looking good.  Have you looked into the Tech Line heat shield paint?  Supposed to work good for turbos and has held up well while working on my headers.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on April 29, 2011, 02:55:51 pm
No I have not.  But I will!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on April 29, 2011, 03:40:53 pm
Seems to me that the alternator bracket needs to be polished. :whistling:
And have the Alternator case powder coated black to match the timing cover and water pump.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 12, 2011, 12:21:04 pm
what are u up to now... :wonder:




Good news and bad news:

The good news is the engine bay is done, well painted at least
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mightymouse351w/DSCN0125.jpg)

The bad news is that the big bad budget monster has reared his ugly head.  I am about 3g's short on the turbo setup I want so its on the back burner.

Gonna have to settle for an obnoxiously big supercharger to get me by until I have the coinage for the turbo setup.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on May 12, 2011, 05:00:52 pm
bay looks good.  sure makes them a lot cleaner looking..

supercharger huh... :wonder:


were u looking at a certain kit for the turbo? or just figured u were that short for the parts?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 12, 2011, 10:02:34 pm
bay looks good.  sure makes them a lot cleaner looking..

supercharger huh... :wonder:


were u looking at a certain kit for the turbo? or just figured u were that short for the parts?

At this point I am a 100% undecided on what I am going to do.  The only thing I know is how much coinage I have to spend and the fact that I WILL drive this hunk this summer.  Whether it be N/A while I save for the huffer or spend some on a used blower to get me by for a year or two.  We will see.

When you get into Turbo's this large, the money is stupid.  Its not just the Turbo.  Its the giant BOV and WG, its the outrageous intercooler, its the 4 and 5" piping, its the 1700 headers.... not to mention the fuel system upgrades blah blah blah...



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on May 12, 2011, 11:23:51 pm
That may be the reason I stay NA.  A turbo is the only power adder I'd consider, but costly yes.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 14, 2011, 11:35:53 am
Its almost ready to go in N/A for the time being.  Unless I actually find a blower this week.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/042.jpg)

Here is the hitch...
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/041.jpg)

Do I dent the header or grind on the bell?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: TooFast98Cobra on May 14, 2011, 12:18:26 pm
grind the bell up buddy!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on May 14, 2011, 12:18:37 pm
What is on the other side of that bell in the problem area?  If it's possible I'd rather take a hammer to the bell rather than the header.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 14, 2011, 01:50:25 pm
What is on the other side of that bell in the problem area?  If it's possible I'd rather take a hammer to the bell rather than the header.

The starter.  Which is set in quite a ways.  Its that big in case you were using the bigger flywheel.  Its a non-issue with the 157tooth 10.5" clutch like I am using.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 25, 2011, 11:22:11 am
Kicked over a rock and found some money.

I bought this today:

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mightymouse351w/newturbokit.jpg)

Its a PTK T6 Drag Radial Kit w/ a 5" downpipe.  Should support over 1500 HP... not that I will get anywhere near that.  The kit is missing the turbo and intercooler.  Those are on my shopping list.

Anyone need a Nitrous Kit and some headers/H-pipe?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on May 25, 2011, 11:36:52 am
Happy to see you're able to go back to a turbo.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 25, 2011, 11:38:32 am
Happy to see you're able to go back to a turbo.

Thanks.  I figured that I have gone to far to back out now!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on May 25, 2011, 12:35:38 pm
Anyone need... some headers/H-pipe?

Details?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 25, 2011, 12:38:58 pm
Anyone need... some headers/H-pipe?

Details?

MAC 1 3/4 long tubes.  Ceramic Coated.  Look about as good as new.  Fit very well except against the SFI bell starter area.  It fit, I just had to double gasket it.  The H pipe is a 3" matched to the MAC headers.  I can get a pic of that.  I would be firm at $350 plus shipping...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on May 25, 2011, 12:42:18 pm
Would you sell just the h-pipe?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 25, 2011, 12:57:13 pm
Would you sell just the h-pipe?

Only if someone bought the headers first.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: GrimLX on May 25, 2011, 01:12:25 pm
Ill go $400 and I will pay for shipping on the nitrous :out:

Joking aside, what size turbo are you going with? 90mm-ish?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 25, 2011, 01:14:27 pm
Ill go $400 and I will pay for shipping on the nitrous :out:

Joking aside, what size turbo are you going with? 90mm-ish?

Funny guy!!!!  :spit:

88mm T6 w/ 1.10 or 1.32 A/R.  Still doing some research on that...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: GrimLX on May 25, 2011, 01:22:52 pm
Should move pretty good


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on May 25, 2011, 03:49:19 pm
Good Find on the Turbo tubing....... I hope you plan on buying a NEW Turbo and not a used one... I have seen a lot of junk lately floating around Nathan.  I would hate to see you have issues with somebody elses junk...

Buy the way , Everybody has the same issue with that Bell housing and headers... I did too...


off subject here....... Are you running a TKO 500, or 600?

good luck.
Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 25, 2011, 03:54:16 pm
Good Find on the Turbo tubing....... I hope you plan on buying a NEW Turbo and not a used one... I have seen a lot of junk lately floating around Nathan.  I would hate to see you have issues with somebody elses junk...

Buy the way , Everybody has the same issue with that Bell housing and headers... I did too...


off subject here....... Are you running a TKO 500, or 600?

good luck.
Brent

Its currently a TKO600/MMR PT900 (or at least that is what I was told).  It says PT900 on the case....

I got a good deal on the tubing and the WG and BOV are new.  All it needs is an intercooler (that I have no reservations against buying used) and a turbo - which I will either buy new or refurbished from a legit company.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: GrimLX on May 25, 2011, 05:51:32 pm
An 88mm with a plate kit would be fun..

What kind of power is this new deal going to make? 8 sec ETs?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 25, 2011, 06:11:14 pm
An 88mm with a plate kit would be fun..

What kind of power is this new deal going to make? 8 sec ETs?

Oh... I dont know.  I would be happy with 800hp, keeping the boost down.  I would like to run bottom 9's .... for that I will need mid 8 sec potential.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 30, 2011, 11:18:14 am
After loads of research on this... I decided on a Borg Warner S475 T6 Turbo.  Which is a 75mm Compressor, 96mm Turbine Turbo with a 1.32 A/R.  Should make around 900 to the wheels at full tilt.



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 24, 2011, 03:37:16 pm
The break in headers are on and the engine is in the car. 

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mightymouse351w/DSCN0200.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mightymouse351w/DSCN0199.jpg)

Long road ahead in wiring up the new standalone EFI system and fabbing up the new fuel system...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: NIKwithoutaC on June 24, 2011, 04:05:38 pm
After loads of research on this... I decided on a Borg Warner S475 T6 Turbo.  Which is a 75mm Compressor, 96mm Turbine Turbo with a 1.32 A/R.  Should make around 900 to the wheels at full tilt.



I think I just jizzed in my pants.  Yep, yep, I did.

Engine looks great, man!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: HIGHVOLTJ on June 24, 2011, 04:26:18 pm
Ill go $400 and I will pay for shipping on the nitrous :out:

Joking aside, what size turbo are you going with? 90mm-ish?

Funny guy!!!!  :spit:

88mm T6 w/ 1.10 or 1.32 A/R.  Still doing some research on that...

 
You should get with McMustang5.0 on that, he knows lots about terbows!    :jawdrop: :msorry: :chair


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: GrimLX on June 24, 2011, 09:35:49 pm
Plunbing the fuel side for the squeeze?

Are you planning on using the T6 stuff?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 24, 2011, 09:40:49 pm
Plunbing the fuel side for the squeeze?

Yep.  I am going to run a -6 line off of the Y block off the rails.  It should give me plenty of fuel for what I am doing with it.  

After I get the engine broke in I will try this N20 stuff out and see what I think...

Are you planning on using the T6 stuff?

I am planning on it yes.... unless the T6 stuff I have for sale sells first.  Then I will re-evaluate my situation.  I have more junk than I have for sale, so its not like - even if that stuff sells, I am giving up on Turbos...

But I am curious how I will like this Nitrous...

Oh yeah - let me know when you get that timing cover.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: GrimLX on June 24, 2011, 10:44:50 pm
Alright I will let you know.

BTW, did you get excited when you saw the sweet carb box?  :pimp


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 20, 2011, 05:41:09 pm
The Holley HP standalone EFI is wired in.
The Maximum Motorsports Manual brake pedal setup is installed.
The fuel system is plumbed and there are no leaks.

I will write my startup tune tonight... and will try and fire it tomorrow if everything goes as planned.

Any bets on if it will fire right away?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on July 20, 2011, 05:50:26 pm
so your using the mm brake kit, so are u using the cobra master cylinder or?

did u buy the complete kit with the pedal and such?   did it all go together good?

and brakes what are u running front and back again?



thnx


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 20, 2011, 06:00:54 pm
so your using the mm brake kit, so are u using the cobra master cylinder or?

did u buy the complete kit with the pedal and such?   did it all go together good?

and brakes what are u running front and back again?



thnx

MM brake pedal kit yes.  I am going to try the aluminum 85 SVO master cylinder (reman from Advance).  Everything about the MM kit was great.  It is a pain in the ass removing the pedal box from the car... just so you know.  I recently dropped 30lbs from my fat ass so getting in and out of under the dash was easier than usual, but still a pain in the rear!

I am running SN95 disc brakes in the front and Ford Racing disc brakes in the rear (which I believe are Explorer brakes) for the 9" ends on my 8.8. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 20, 2011, 11:37:45 pm
Good luck, man!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 21, 2011, 09:47:50 am
Good luck, man!

Thanks Robert.

I spent a couple hours last night going through the "help" section on the Holley software and tweeking the program for my combo.  I have come to the conclusion that this Holley stuff could work for the car show plug and play crowd... but to do it right, it takes some know how and careful planning.  I am going to try and fire it tonight...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on July 21, 2011, 04:17:34 pm
Sweet!  Hope we get to see a video...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fidstang on July 22, 2011, 12:45:28 am
Nathan, let me know when your done with those break in headers and mid-pipe. I may have a good use for them.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 25, 2011, 06:00:07 pm
Sweet!  Hope we get to see a video...


Yes!  I want to see and hear it also!!!      :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 07, 2011, 10:28:55 pm
I forgot how great open headers sound in a closed garage the first time you get a new engine to fire!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on August 07, 2011, 10:45:45 pm
 :rock


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 08, 2011, 02:16:14 am
I forgot how great open headers sound in a closed garage the first time you get a new engine to fire!


 :spit:  Now drive it around the block and scare the crap out of the neighbors! ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on August 08, 2011, 10:38:29 pm
I forgot how great open headers sound in a closed garage the first time you get a new engine to fire!


 :spit:  Now drive it around the block and scare the crap out of the neighbors! ;D

Thats what I did when I put the long tubes on. Sounded like I was inside Dale Jr's collector!  :pimp


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 16, 2011, 04:24:55 pm
Snapped a quick photo.

I have got to do something with those plug wires... anyone want to trade for a black set?

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN0342.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on August 16, 2011, 04:41:21 pm
Lookin good.  What's left? 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 16, 2011, 07:42:30 pm
Lookin good.  What's left? 

The turbo.   :out:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on August 16, 2011, 09:34:33 pm
Lookin good.  What's left? 

The turbo.   :out:

I must have missed something.  I thought the plan was to run NA temporarily.   :???


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 16, 2011, 11:01:28 pm
Lookin good.  What's left? 

The turbo.   :out:

I must have missed something.  I thought the plan was to run NA temporarily.   :???

I was just having some fun with him. ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 17, 2011, 09:11:14 am
Lookin good.  What's left? 

The turbo.   :out:

I must have missed something.  I thought the plan was to run NA temporarily.   :???

I was just having some fun with him. ;)

Yuck it up boys!  You can't break in a new engine with a turbo on it... the turbo wil go on over the winter....


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 17, 2011, 12:53:26 pm
Lookin good.  What's left? 

The turbo.   :out:

I must have missed something.  I thought the plan was to run NA temporarily.   :???

I was just having some fun with him. ;)

Yuck it up boys!  You can't break in a new engine with a turbo on it... the turbo wil go on over the winter....

I know it will buddy. :)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fidstang on August 25, 2011, 06:30:03 pm
Unless he finds a good V27!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: the only Qualk on August 25, 2011, 09:54:05 pm
Hey mighty I was wondering if you have any more info on the standalone efi or a place for info from users. I have been contemplating evi for my falcon. Thanks and best luck and when do we get to hear this beast


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 26, 2011, 07:56:57 am
Hey mighty I was wondering if you have any more info on the standalone efi or a place for info from users. I have been contemplating evi for my falcon. Thanks and best luck and when do we get to hear this beast

What would you like to know?  I have learned quite a bit about this Holley system and in just general EFI knowledge messing with this system.  I is really cool, but the concept of it being bolt on and go is simply  manufacturer "puffing".  I think the Avenger System and easy Fast EFI systems would be more for bolt on and go.  This HP and Dominator system will do everything!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: the only Qualk on August 26, 2011, 09:27:20 pm
Well I had messed with an older fast xfi setup at school but it was already running and we really only messed with the spark and fuel tables but I dunno I did go and read up on the volley site and really seems like it does a lot of things. What sensors are you using to have it running n/a . Do you plan to go coil pack? And just any and all info about it Haha.thanks


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 27, 2011, 09:14:02 am
Well I had messed with an older fast xfi setup at school but it was already running and we really only messed with the spark and fuel tables but I dunno I did go and read up on the volley site and really seems like it does a lot of things. What sensors are you using to have it running n/a . Do you plan to go coil pack? And just any and all info about it Haha.thanks

MAP
MAT
TPS
IAC
Wide 02
Water Temp

No on the coil packs, my distributor does just fine.  Maybe in the future I will put some LS style junk on it like coil packs, trigger and knock sensor... but for now, I have spent enough $$ on this pile...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on August 29, 2011, 05:17:17 pm
Quote

MM brake pedal kit yes.  I am going to try the aluminum 85 SVO master cylinder (reman from Advance).  Everything about the MM kit was great.  It is a pain in the ass removing the pedal box from the car... just so you know.  I recently dropped 30lbs from my fat ass so getting in and out of under the dash was easier than usual, but still a pain in the rear!

I am running SN95 disc brakes in the front and Ford Racing disc brakes in the rear (which I believe are Explorer brakes) for the 9" ends on my 8.8. 

hey nathan,

so have u had the chance to drive the car with this setup, especially the booster, just curious how the pedal feel is, and what not.

i just ordered the mm manual brake kit and am gonna give it a go with a 93 cobra master cylinder/sn front and rear discs.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 17, 2011, 10:57:26 am
Quote

MM brake pedal kit yes.  I am going to try the aluminum 85 SVO master cylinder (reman from Advance).  Everything about the MM kit was great.  It is a pain in the ass removing the pedal box from the car... just so you know.  I recently dropped 30lbs from my fat ass so getting in and out of under the dash was easier than usual, but still a pain in the rear!

I am running SN95 disc brakes in the front and Ford Racing disc brakes in the rear (which I believe are Explorer brakes) for the 9" ends on my 8.8. 

hey nathan,

so have u had the chance to drive the car with this setup, especially the booster, just curious how the pedal feel is, and what not.

i just ordered the mm manual brake kit and am gonna give it a go with a 93 cobra master cylinder/sn front and rear discs.

Well, manual brakes were kinda new for me.  I hadn't driven a manual brake car since the early 90s.  The first time I tried to stop it kinda shocked me.  But once you get used to the fact that you actually have to push on the brake pedal with some gusto, the car stops just fine. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 17, 2011, 11:04:34 am
The Kooks headers are gone and the new turbo mockup has begun.  I will get some pics tomorrow maybe.

I ordered a bunch of stuff and the V band clamps for the header to merge pipe is the wrong size.  Not sure who's fault it is, but it doesnt really matter.  I ordered some new ones today.

The turbo cover is being polished by Doug - its1fastcat - and I will get some pics up of that when he is done.  Man, this is one big Turbo.

Its a Bullseye/Borg Warner S400 T6
Compressor - Inducer 80mm/109mm Exducer
Turbine - Inducer 83mm/74mm Exducer
A/R - 1.10
Extended Tip
Rated to 1500 hp.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on November 17, 2011, 02:29:53 pm
How much of that 1500hp are you going to make that turbo make?      :naughty:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 17, 2011, 03:19:58 pm
How much of that 1500hp are you going to make that turbo make?      :naughty:

About 2/3.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 27, 2011, 03:33:41 pm
Made a little progress on the Turbo mockup.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN0798.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN0797.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/s480jd.jpg)

Low mount alternator was not going to work and neither was my Jeep Cherokee super radiator fan.  

and

My wife said "there is no way you can get 4 cars in that garage"

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN0796.jpg)

Been there... and plenty of room to work left over!  Yeah, thats an F150 in the corner.  She says "that is sad that I need such a large garage"  I say, its just good planning!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on November 27, 2011, 04:57:48 pm
Your engine is looking really good Nathan.

You fit four cars and a motorcycle in that garage!!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 27, 2011, 05:58:47 pm
Your engine is looking really good Nathan.

You fit four cars and a motorcycle in that garage!!!

Nope.

I fit 2 Trucks, 2 cars and a motorcycle...  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: GrimLX on November 27, 2011, 06:06:14 pm
Dude that looks about like my garage! (30x40 with 3 Mustangs, 1 truck, 21ft boat, and a few dirtbikes)

That thing is going to make silly power


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on December 03, 2011, 02:43:43 pm
Hot side is more or less done:

S480 Turbo - Doug (its1fastcat) will finish polishing the housing after I get done with the mockup
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN0858.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN0859.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSCN0860.jpg)
Downpipe needs a 5"muffler, stainless tip and a bend to exit here:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/fenderextender.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on December 03, 2011, 09:03:17 pm
Man i wish i could build something this crazy  one day maybe. When its done you will have to bring it to work so i can check it out in person and get a ride!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on December 03, 2011, 09:25:35 pm
Doug (its1fastcat) will finish polishing the housing after I get done with the mockup


Doug polished my nitrous plate. Compared to it, all of my polished Jet Hot looks like shit!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on December 04, 2011, 08:52:41 am
Jake - do not underestimate what you are building!  That will be one hell of a ride...

Doug does amazing polishing work.  He has polished quite a few engine items for me, each one better than the last.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 02, 2012, 05:32:15 pm
polished cover is on:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/011.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/009.jpg)

Thanks Doug!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on January 02, 2012, 07:50:21 pm
I am glad to hear you guys are happy with the polishing work.  I have found it difficult to take a good picture of polished parts because they reflect so much light.  I especially like the turbo with Uncle Jack picture.

 :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on January 02, 2012, 07:53:00 pm
You guys and your fancy stuff!!  ;D

Polish work looks great!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on January 02, 2012, 08:02:16 pm
You guys and your fancy stuff!!  ;D

Says you?

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/fidstang/65919705-M.jpg)

 :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 03, 2012, 07:44:28 am
You guys and your fancy stuff!!  ;D

Says you?

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/fidstang/65919705-M.jpg)

 :whistling:

 :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on January 03, 2012, 06:46:21 pm
Those valve covers look familiar.....


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 08, 2012, 08:45:25 am
My how things change.  In my head that is...

Anyone ever raced with an Art Carr Extreme AOD?  I decided I want to keep this car as a dual purpose street strip car.  Like it always was.  (now that I live a couple hours from any track)...



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 08, 2012, 12:17:55 pm
What gear and how tall of a tire are you going to run?  Are you sure you'll need overdrive?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on January 08, 2012, 12:27:59 pm
My how things change.  In my head that is...

Anyone ever raced with an Art Carr Extreme AOD?  I decided I want to keep this car as a dual purpose street strip car.  Like it always was.  (now that I live a couple hours from any track)...



Nathan.....PM RdRunnr (Eric) on this board.....hes been running AOD's on the street and strip for years.....hes a good friend of mine and hed be the guy to talk to. His car is going bottom 9's with a YSI supercharger and an AOD.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 08, 2012, 06:26:37 pm
My how things change.  In my head that is...

Anyone ever raced with an Art Carr Extreme AOD?  I decided I want to keep this car as a dual purpose street strip car.  Like it always was.  (now that I live a couple hours from any track)...



Nathan.....PM RdRunnr (Eric) on this board.....hes been running AOD's on the street and strip for years.....hes a good friend of mine and hed be the guy to talk to. His car is going bottom 9's with a YSI supercharger and an AOD.

Just cruisin around the bullet I saw more than a few guys in the bottom 9s with AODs and power adders.  I like the idea of keeping it an all ford drivetrain, I like the idea of the overdrive, and I like the fact that my local transmission guy has a lot of experience keeping the AOD alive in extreme situations (such as mine).

I bought one yesterday.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 08, 2012, 06:27:51 pm
What gear and how tall of a tire are you going to run?  Are you sure you'll need overdrive?

Right now its a 3.55 gear and a 28" tire.  Do I NEED overdrive?  No.... Will I like it when crusing around on the interstate at 75mph on E85?  Yep.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on January 08, 2012, 06:54:02 pm
Now you need a real ignition box  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on January 08, 2012, 07:13:51 pm
 :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on January 08, 2012, 07:49:45 pm
:spit:

Im serious!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: eckertd on January 08, 2012, 07:58:11 pm
My how things change.  In my head that is...

Anyone ever raced with an Art Carr Extreme AOD?  I decided I want to keep this car as a dual purpose street strip car.  Like it always was.  (now that I live a couple hours from any track)...



Nathan.....PM RdRunnr (Eric) on this board.....hes been running AOD's on the street and strip for years.....hes a good friend of mine and hed be the guy to talk to. His car is going bottom 9's with a YSI supercharger and an AOD.

Just cruisin around the bullet I saw more than a few guys in the bottom 9s with AODs and power adders.  I like the idea of keeping it an all ford drivetrain, I like the idea of the overdrive, and I like the fact that my local transmission guy has a lot of experience keeping the AOD alive in extreme situations (such as mine).

I bought one yesterday.

Can you get a wide ratio gearset in the AOD like the 4R70W?  I'm so up in the air with my C4 right now, it's ridiculous.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 09, 2012, 07:44:44 am

He is probably right... right now I run the Holley EFI system with a one step up from basic Mallory buzz box and TFI coil...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 09, 2012, 07:46:46 am
Can you get a wide ratio gearset in the AOD like the 4R70W?  I'm so up in the air with my C4 right now, it's ridiculous.

 :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: eckertd on January 09, 2012, 09:00:22 am
Can you get a wide ratio gearset in the AOD like the 4R70W?  I'm so up in the air with my C4 right now, it's ridiculous.

 :dunno


Didn't mean to derail this thread.  Took a look over at SilverFox and yes, you can get a WR gearset in the AOD.  Checking out the AOD-550 (http://www.silverfoxtrans.com/silverfoxtrans.com/TM_AOD-550.html) right now.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 09, 2012, 11:35:20 am
You didn't derail anything.  I love conversation...

Good information to know!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 14, 2012, 12:50:02 pm
Cold side will hopefully be done this upcoming weekend.

I spent the extra dough this time around to do 3.5" aluminum tubing after reading how much cooler your AIT will be over using mild (or especially stainless) steel.

Biggest intercooler I have ever held is here as well.

I also ordered the 4500 RPM stall and ATI flexplate and hub for the AOD. 

Now, which shifter?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: garsten on January 14, 2012, 04:09:45 pm

I also ordered the 4500 RPM stall and ATI flexplate and hub for the AOD. 

Now, which shifter?


Precision Performance Products...not one of your mainstream name brand products.  i found out about this place when i won a $100 gift certificate from this company through the NHRA.  well built, high quality stuff.

http://www.precisionperformance.com/kwik1.htm

cheers, claude


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FordRacing250 on January 15, 2012, 01:19:09 am
PPP shifters are the shit, meaning very nice....


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FordRacing250 on January 15, 2012, 01:22:06 am
My how things change.  In my head that is...

Anyone ever raced with an Art Carr Extreme AOD?  I decided I want to keep this car as a dual purpose street strip car.  Like it always was.  (now that I live a couple hours from any track)...



Nathan.....PM RdRunnr (Eric) on this board.....hes been running AOD's on the street and strip for years.....hes a good friend of mine and hed be the guy to talk to. His car is going bottom 9's with a YSI supercharger and an AOD.

Just cruisin around the bullet I saw more than a few guys in the bottom 9s with AODs and power adders.  I like the idea of keeping it an all ford drivetrain, I like the idea of the overdrive, and I like the fact that my local transmission guy has a lot of experience keeping the AOD alive in extreme situations (such as mine).

I bought one yesterday.

Can you get a wide ratio gearset in the AOD like the 4R70W?  I'm so up in the air with my C4 right now, it's ridiculous.
Yes you can swap the 4R70 gear set into the AOD. Its stronger too. Now being hes turbo, it may make his first gear too short.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on January 15, 2012, 02:03:23 pm
The best part of this write up is that in less than a month from now, the evolution of this Mustang will be two years in the making.  In other words, it is a fine example of what is necessary to obtain your goals.  Things like this take time, effort, money and patience.  Great thread! :clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on January 15, 2012, 02:10:30 pm
Video!      :wonder:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 17, 2012, 10:03:30 pm
As far as more than 2 speed transmissions... I like the regular AOD gearing.

I bought a Quarter Stick after seeing some installs in Foxs that make it look like a 5 speed.  Pretty cool..

Also... since my car runs factory wheels and you can not see the roll bar with the top up... I was THINKING of what it would be like if I put on a lower rise intake and put the factory hood back on. 

Might be a sleeper...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 17, 2012, 11:27:01 pm
It'll be a sleeper anyway with the power you plan on making and how the turbo will quiet it down.  :)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 19, 2012, 12:42:54 pm
As far as more than 2 speed transmissions... I like the regular AOD gearing.

For those that wonder, the gearing breaks down like this:

AOD/AODE
2.40
1.47
1.00
0.67

4R70W
2.84
1.55
1.00
0.70   

So you can see, on a turbo deal with a brake, where you have issues with blowing the tires off at the gate, the higher gear ratio provided by the regular AOD is a better fit.  In stock form the 4R70W is a heavier duty transmission, yes, but we are not dealing with stock anything at this level....


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 20, 2012, 01:33:24 pm
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/importhatch/WTF.jpg)

Got the cold side finished. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: FivePointOhh on January 20, 2012, 01:36:37 pm
dayummmmm son!

those blowmaster baffles will put yer TORQUE through da ROOF!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 20, 2012, 02:06:22 pm
 :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on January 20, 2012, 02:09:49 pm
Is Blowmaster sponsoring you now Nathan?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 20, 2012, 02:12:01 pm
I told you guys I wanted to go for the sleeper look... no one will suspect a thing with my new setup!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: HIGHVOLTJ on January 20, 2012, 02:16:23 pm
Lookin' good brah, nice transitions (ricer voice)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on January 20, 2012, 05:30:41 pm
 :orglaugh Nice


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: riverfox_racing on January 20, 2012, 06:51:00 pm
bahahahahahhaahha


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fidstang on January 24, 2012, 12:02:25 pm
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/importhatch/WTF.jpg)

Got the cold side finished. 

I know this guy, he's from Howell, MI! Glad to see he ditched that 65mm TB for a Holley!  ::)

He always could build the best engines with small heads and TB.  :orglaugh


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 24, 2012, 11:05:34 am
Been awhile since I updated this.  Been very busy with work and home.

Anyway.

A guy I know and I began building similar turbo combos about the same time.  He is more ambitious than I it appears since he has dynoed and raced his and I have some work left to do.

His combo is (more or less)
331, AFR head  9:1 compression
Powerglide
XFI EFI
E85
S475 (75mm T6 turbo)

vs my combo

349, TW 205 head, 9.75:1 compression
AOD
Holley EFI
E85
S480 T6 Turbo

Here is his rear wheel dyno sheet:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/331s475.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on May 24, 2012, 11:13:27 am
Looks like you will finally be going faster than only 12's in the quarter Nathan ...    ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on May 24, 2012, 11:17:46 am
Looks like you will finally be going faster than only 12's in the quarter Nathan ...    ;D

Nah. He will still run 12s, just at like 150 mph.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 24, 2012, 11:22:42 am
 :lmaoflr:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on May 26, 2012, 04:54:33 pm
Did the dyno break at 1,000 hp?  Wonder how much it could have made if he didn't stop the pull at 6,200 rpm.  :o


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on May 27, 2012, 09:25:27 pm
Nathan any more suspension mods planned to put down all that power you're going to make?  (Sorry if this has already been covered)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on May 27, 2012, 09:45:41 pm
he is over on yb?

I like to dream too lol  :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 28, 2012, 03:54:51 pm
Nathan any more suspension mods planned to put down all that power you're going to make?  (Sorry if this has already been covered)

Its all Team Z from front to back.  It has a 6pt roll bar.  When I get the car done and sorted out, it may get a mini tub - or more than likely, just a new car (thinking about a Turbocoupe) for the parts I currently have...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on May 28, 2012, 03:55:21 pm
he is over on yb?

I like to dream too lol  :party

He may be on YB, not sure.  I don't know Jeff from there...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on June 14, 2012, 10:50:54 am
I picked up my Art Carr AOD yesterday after a complete overhaul.  I didn't expect it needing a complete overhaul, but... whats done is done.

Now I am getting the itch to get this thing rolling...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: TooFast98Cobra on June 14, 2012, 11:06:02 am
good luck Nate!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 16, 2012, 10:33:07 am
Pictures to follow, but

The cold side and the downpipe with passenger side fender exit is done.  What I thought was going to be a couple hour job turned into 8 hours of sweat and blood.  It was a bad omen when we couldn't get the car off the trailer due to something causing the brake fluid to expand and lock all the brakes up on the car....

Now, if I can just get a flexplate to work with this converter, we will be in business!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 16, 2012, 02:38:57 pm
I snapped a quick cell phone pic of the side exit exhaust.  I will get some good photos in the tonight or tomorrow...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 16, 2012, 06:34:53 pm
Looks good!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 18, 2012, 01:23:13 pm
The car and engine bay is really dirty, so don't judge.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC00801.jpg)
Intercooler and you can see where the downpipe muffler exits into the fender.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC00799.jpg)
Blow-off Valve

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC00798.jpg)
Turbo to 3" cold side pipe

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC00797.jpg)
3.5" intake pipe

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC00796.jpg)
Top view

I also still need to ceramic coat/or wrap the downpipe and polish the alum cold side tubing and bonnet.  Not to mention all the little stuff that takes forever...

Its getting closer...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 18, 2012, 03:00:55 pm
So you are going with one big turbo and not two littler ones?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 18, 2012, 03:04:56 pm
So you are going with one big turbo and not two littler ones?

Yes.  Its a Borg Warner/Bullseye S480 with some add-ons.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 19, 2012, 10:55:46 am
Hopefully I can get some time tonight and tomorrow to get a lot of the little stuff done. I need to take it all apart and clean out all the tubing then put it back together. I also need to:

-wrap the now high temp powder coated downpipe;
-polish the weld area of the cold side piping
-get the flexplate and converter installed so I can bolt up the AOD (just sitting in there with two bolts now)
-plumb in the trans cooler/fan
-add the in-tank 340lph fuel pump and turn the Eliminator pump into the secondary.
-Figure out how to map the fuel for E85...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 79289chase on July 19, 2012, 11:10:17 pm
So you are going with one big turbo and not two littler ones?

Yes.  Its a Borg Warner/Bullseye S480 with some add-ons.

I don't know much about this turbos use on a gasser but it is a beast on a diesel. Most use it as the low pressure turbo in a compound setup. She should make some serious steam. What wheel and cover is it if you don't mind sharing?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 19, 2012, 11:17:39 pm
That is one bad machine.  Keep up the good work and buy a few sets of tires.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on July 20, 2012, 12:26:52 am
That is one bad machine.  Keep up the good work and buy a few sets of tires.
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Good thinking lol.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: HIGHVOLTJ on July 26, 2012, 01:18:59 pm
I'll give you $4,500 for it and I'll clean up the engine bay myself.  I'm still looking for a Mustang, looked at a '91 GT last weekend that was a piece of shit!!  :chair


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 26, 2012, 02:36:39 pm
I'll give you $4,500 for it and I'll clean up the engine bay myself.  I'm still looking for a Mustang, looked at a '91 GT last weekend that was a piece of shit!!  :chair

That is just too generous of an offer... I couldn't possibly accept it...  :D ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 27, 2012, 12:11:48 am
 :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 30, 2012, 11:42:34 am
Too over the top on a convertible?

Opinions wanted:::::

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC00830.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC00829.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC00828.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 30, 2012, 11:53:54 am
Yes, IMHO. If it helps keep it stable at the track then go for it.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gtvert90 on July 30, 2012, 12:14:22 pm
Saw an 87 notch for sale by me with a sheet metal wing.. I stopped to look and its all stock suspension stock exhaust with chrome tips autotrans with some weldwheels/dragradials. Looks ridiculous as the car doesn't need it... your car is different. If it is needed go for it...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: GrimLX on July 30, 2012, 12:19:32 pm
I dont typically like them, but I think it looks good on a convertible. The turbo stuff looks good too


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 30, 2012, 12:36:29 pm
I am a little afraid of the power this thing is going to make...

I am also afraid that the wing might make people go  ::) ...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on July 30, 2012, 01:02:12 pm
Too over the top on a convertible?


I hate it  :) . Those belong on coupes. You need to box it up and ship it to down here.  :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on July 30, 2012, 01:15:00 pm
I like it!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: eckertd on July 30, 2012, 01:23:19 pm
Function before form.  Looks good.  You're gonna color match it?

Just don't put any "T-Type" or "Type-R" badges on it.  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 30, 2012, 02:52:44 pm
Function before form.  Looks good.  You're gonna color match it?

Just don't put any "T-Type" or "Type-R" badges on it.  ;D

Well shit...if I cant put R badges on it, I ain't doin' it!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on July 30, 2012, 03:13:45 pm
Who cares about the wing! Check out the.........  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 30, 2012, 03:24:14 pm
Who cares about the wing! Check out the.........  ;D

I like the wing -- can you modify it to look and function just like the Pro Stock rides where it is the entire width of the hood like they do?

Who is the model behind holding the wing in that pic?  Very pretty young lady.      :)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 30, 2012, 03:37:10 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah....

My whole life has been buddies talking about my sisters.  I guess I am used to it...

It is pretty close to the width of the decklid now and is adjustable height wise.  It has strut rods also that connect the back of the wing to the rear bumper.

I will leave it polished.  I don't want to deal with painting slick polished aluminum....

All in all, the more I see it, the more I like it.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gtvert90 on July 30, 2012, 03:52:38 pm
the point of my post was if that wing is on a 13 sec car its ridiculous...  on your car I think its fine.. the more people that  ::)at you the better..they won't  ::) when they see what the car has.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 30, 2012, 04:39:23 pm
 :whs:      :clap


Nathan for sure.  With that large turbo your engine should be making sick amounts of horsepower.  That wing will help you hold on -- on a good and STRAIGHT airstream that your Mustang will be creating on the top-end!!!

If you get scared of it's acceleration you could drive it down to my area and I could help you test drive it at Irwindale ...      :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on July 30, 2012, 04:47:41 pm
Nathan.

It looks cool and it doe's serve a purpose..... I just dont like seeing you cut up , drill, or add to a RARE 4 eyed convertible....... not too many of these out there, let a lone in this condition!  you have a rare and nice car!

All In all, its coming together nicely!

good Luck!

Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 30, 2012, 04:56:25 pm
Nathan.

It looks cool and it doe's serve a purpose..... I just dont like seeing you cut up , drill, or add to a RARE 4 eyed convertible....... not too many of these out there, let a lone in this condition!  you have a rare and nice car!

All In all, its coming together nicely!

good Luck!

Brent

Its a cervini decklid and I have not cut on one factory panel of the car.  I have taken the original and put it away every time... every piece that you see modified are aftermarket or junk yard substitutes!

Its an expensive way to do it.... but I may want to go back to stock someday.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on July 31, 2012, 01:53:20 am
You know, it really isn't all that shiny..... :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 31, 2012, 08:32:52 am
You know, it really isn't all that shiny..... :whistling:


You know, thats what I was thinking...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on July 31, 2012, 09:44:08 am
You know, it really isn't all that shiny..... :whistling:


You know, thats what I was thinking...

You guys are gonna blind someone.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: garsten on July 31, 2012, 10:10:04 am

Too over the top on a convertible?

Opinions wanted:::::


here's my opinion...

if the car is going to spend more time at the track than on the street, use the wing.

if the car is going to be on the street the majority of the time, don't use it.

cheers, claude



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on July 31, 2012, 10:59:44 am
Nathan.

It looks cool and it doe's serve a purpose..... I just dont like seeing you cut up , drill, or add to a RARE 4 eyed convertible....... not too many of these out there, let a lone in this condition!  you have a rare and nice car!

All In all, its coming together nicely!

good Luck!

Brent

Its a cervini decklid and I have not cut on one factory panel of the car.  I have taken the original and put it away every time... every piece that you see modified are aftermarket or junk yard substitutes!

Its an expensive way to do it.... but I may want to go back to stock someday.

Thats good to know!  I really want to find me a nice 85 convertible someday... I love them!

Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 31, 2012, 03:10:11 pm
Interesting about Garsten's opinion -- which got me thinking that Nathan -- won't you need a chute on your ride to be legal at the track?  I would think that you will be flying FAST with that large turbo if you let it do it's job with boost ...

 :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 31, 2012, 03:42:56 pm
A chute?  Hadn't really thought of that.  Maybe down the road...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 06, 2012, 04:36:52 pm
You know, it really isn't all that shiny..... :whistling:


You know, thats what I was thinking...

You guys are gonna blind someone.

Just the LS guys behind me....


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Mr.Blue on August 07, 2012, 11:09:04 am
I'd use it...........big ass turbo and the car being silver doesnt make the wing "stand out " as much as a dark color would...........you could always powder coat it body color..........a buddy did that with his 5.70 index car and it looked good...........


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on August 07, 2012, 11:12:30 am
If the wing is made from aluminum, I have a UV blocker treatment that would resist fading in sunlight.  Plus if you ever get lost while driving the car, you can signal the search party in space with that much reflective surface.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 07, 2012, 11:42:20 am
If the wing is made from aluminum, I have a UV blocker treatment that would resist fading in sunlight.  Plus if you ever get lost while driving the car, you can signal the search party in space with that much reflective surface.

This wing is pretty large dude... it would be a hand polish deal.  Sure you are up for that?  Can you do it on the car or does it need to be removed?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on August 07, 2012, 01:50:33 pm
Hurry up and get it running!!!!      ;D

I wanna see some videos of it performing!

 :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 14, 2012, 08:30:04 am
Transmission is in and the turbo is installed and ready to rock...

Its getting close now...

but I am 99% i broke my wist working on this pile of monkey shit the other night (xrays today) so updates will not be coming soon.

Anyone want to buy this junk and put me out of my misery?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on August 14, 2012, 09:42:53 am
Transmission is in and the turbo is installed and ready to rock...

Its getting close now...

but I am 99% i broke my wist working on this pile of monkey shit the other night (xrays today) so updates will not be coming soon.

Anyone want to buy this junk and put me out of my misery?

I totally understand!!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on August 14, 2012, 10:33:12 am
Transmission is in and the turbo is installed and ready to rock...

Its getting close now...

but I am 99% i broke my wist working on this pile of monkey shit the other night (xrays today) so updates will not be coming soon.

Anyone want to buy this junk and put me out of my misery?

Good news about the Mustang but it sounds like terrible news about your wrist.  I hope that it isn't broken but just sprained.

Best of luck to you Nathan.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 14, 2012, 01:11:49 pm
Transmission is in and the turbo is installed and ready to rock...

Its getting close now...

but I am 99% i broke my wist working on this pile of monkey shit the other night (xrays today) so updates will not be coming soon.

Anyone want to buy this junk and put me out of my misery?

Dang man!  I hope it isn't broke...  the car that is.  ;D

Heal up and get back at it.  You're almost done!!!  :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on August 14, 2012, 06:30:11 pm
Anyone want to buy this junk and put me out of my misery?

Sold!  Oh wait, how much?  lol


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 04, 2012, 10:55:21 am
Well my wrist healed up enough that I can get back to working on this heap.

The 340lph pump is in.  I have some work to do tying it into the existing fuel system, but that shouldn't take long.

I put on the new fender extension and cut the hole for the exhaust
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01008.jpg)

The bonnet is not ported and polished.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01007.jpg)

I removed the rear bumper and struts - replaced it with a bent chromemoly tube.  That was a fun job!  

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01005.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01004.jpg)

Not much left to do but wiring and we should be rolling....


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 04, 2012, 03:31:04 pm
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01008.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01007.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01005.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01004.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 04, 2012, 03:37:37 pm
 :whs:                           :unh:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on September 04, 2012, 06:05:51 pm
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01007.jpg)

What's up with that blue spider web that looks like plug wires? 10 minutes and a bag of zip ties will clean that up.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 04, 2012, 06:28:06 pm
:whs:                           :unh:


I only posted that earlier as a joke because before when I saw your post the post was completely blank!

 :jawdrop:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 05, 2012, 11:03:46 am
I am going to be cutting some soon...  They are just on there for now to get the car to fire...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 05, 2012, 11:10:13 am
I really like your turbo exhaust coming thru in front of the tire in the body like that!!!      :clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 05, 2012, 11:12:15 am
I really like your turbo exhaust coming thru in front of the tire in the body like that!!!      :clap

It should look pretty kick ass once I get it painted...  Took some doing to get it out there, but I am happy with the results.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: TooFast98Cobra on September 05, 2012, 11:24:00 am
lookin good! can't wait for the start up vid.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 05, 2012, 11:28:14 am
Friend of mine was giving me a hard time for how long this project has taken.

Not only is he single with no kids (I have three under 6 years old and a wife that is working or on call 90% of the time).... there might be more work and thought process involved in my fuel system/program than is in a typical fox body build from top to bottom.

Building a 1200hp car that runs on alcohol is not easy or cheap boys and girls...

 :msorry:
I just needed to vent....


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: TooFast98Cobra on September 05, 2012, 11:33:11 am
I hear you, I get it all the time to. I have two little ones under 6 and maybe a 3rd on the way if she can talk me into it. Throw in working 13 hrs a day playing CPA. sucks


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on September 05, 2012, 02:27:15 pm
Friend of mine was giving me a hard time for how long this project has taken.

Not only is he single with no kids (I have three under 6 years old and a wife that is working or on call 90% of the time).... there might be more work and thought process involved in my fuel system/program than is in a typical fox body build from top to bottom.

Building a 1200hp car that runs on alcohol is not easy or cheap boys and girls...

 :msorry:
I just needed to vent....

I can relate to you Nathan!

 I agree, its not easy with family and priorities that come first over a car!  After all, thats all it is (A CAR)it does not live or breath!  To the people that don't understand that, I feel sorry for you!


Project is looking good Nate!
Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 09, 2012, 01:00:46 pm
Looking good!

Tell him if you were single without kids, you could drop it off at a shop to be done and still have enough money to take his mom out to dinner and a movie.  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on September 09, 2012, 06:38:04 pm
Looking good!

Tell him if you were single without kids, you could drop it off at a shop to be done and still have enough money to take his mom out to dinner and a movie.  ;D

^ that is funny!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 10, 2012, 09:39:51 am
Looking good!

Tell him if you were single without kids, you could drop it off at a shop to be done and still have enough money to take his mom out to dinner and a movie.  ;D
:clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on September 13, 2012, 05:22:46 pm
 :spit:



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 28, 2012, 04:12:12 pm
I took the morning off to get some stuff done....

My car hates me and fights me every step of the way, but I do make some roads in...

Anyway, here are some photos even though I can't take a quality photo to save my life....

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01109.jpg)
I got the extended Moroso studs in.  I only stripped two of them... IMHO, they are not great quality.  Should have went with ARP.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01106.jpg)
PBR calipers, polished by its1fastcat, are on... look way better than the old iron ones.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01108.jpg)
Blue plug wires replaced (and routed just for you Mr. Juicy) with black firecore's.  I also put on the MSD coil.  Something odd about it though  :party  Mounting it in the rear was my only real option.  I also spent an inordinate amount of time routing vacuum lines, tying wires out of the way, adding the fan (12" is all that will fit), and replacing the stock 3g with the chrome 200amp version... etc....

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01107.jpg)
This should help clear up the rats nest wiring...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 28, 2012, 06:14:26 pm
 :)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on September 30, 2012, 05:13:06 pm
Engine looks great.  What is that on the battery box?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on September 30, 2012, 06:08:13 pm
What is that on the battery box?

http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,33160.0.html

Relay panel.

MM, is that 4G wire feeding it? If not, it should be.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 01, 2012, 09:04:15 am
What is that on the battery box?

http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,33160.0.html

Relay panel.

MM, is that 4G wire feeding it? If not, it should be.

Nope.  6G Amp wire...

4G huh... rats...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on October 01, 2012, 11:19:48 am
Depending on how much current you put through it, 6G may be fine. I know it has 300 amps worth of relays, but I'm not sure of the capacity of the board.

If it were me, I would add one of these under the hood to supply main power to high amperage items.

http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,33841.0.html


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 01, 2012, 03:35:33 pm
Depending on how much current you put through it, 6G may be fine. I know it has 300 amps worth of relays, but I'm not sure of the capacity of the board.

If it were me, I would add one of these under the hood to supply main power to high amperage items.

http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,33841.0.html

Right now the only things to be hooked to the board are:

2nd fuel pump
transbrake
O/D

In the future (maybe over the winter) I will take the time to do some re-wiring.  Then the board will also run:

water pump
electric fan
nitrous solenoid.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on October 02, 2012, 10:43:14 pm
What is that on the battery box?

http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,33160.0.html

Relay panel.

Thanks.  It makes more sense now.  Neat product.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on October 03, 2012, 09:03:43 pm
Concerning the firewall:

I need to do something like this...

I doubt it. I only did it because it was the easiest option. Because:
- My battery isn't in a sealed box, yours is. To be honest, I prefer a open battery in case I have to charge.
- My fuel cell doesn't have it's own case/firewall. Don't you have a sumped stock tank?
- My nitrous bottles don't relieve outside the car. All four of my bottles have different valves. I'm not going to change them or go through the trouble of setting up a blow down setup that will fit all of them.

On top of all that, I didn't have a back seat. Making all of those very obvious.

The nitrous bottle alone would probably make it through tech, but the fuel cell likely wouldn't and the battery is a red flag.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 04, 2012, 11:29:21 am
I run an Optima battery in a sealed box.
I will also have the Nitrous in the trunk (if I ever get that far)... but will have a blow down tube.
I do run a sumped stock tank... I need large volume as I run E85.

I Can Not run a rear seat due to the roll bar.... and I have some hacked up metal back there from when I needed to cut out the factory convertible bracing in a hurry due to a ripped upper control arm mount.  It was a battery operated sawzall action in its finest...I need to spend some time getting that cleared up, but with the roll bar and rear shock tower tie in, its very difficult...

Ergo... I was thinking of doing this for aesthetics more than for any safety/tech reasons.

It looks bad ass...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on October 04, 2012, 11:33:51 am
Our cars appear to be in the same level of "road worthiness". ;D

However...  I refuse to use those heavy assed batteries.
I suppose we'll see how well this 15lb battery of mine works. :???


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 04, 2012, 11:36:06 am
Our cars appear to be in the same level of "road worthiness". ;D

However...  I refuse to use those heavy assed batteries.
I suppose we'll see how well this 15lb battery of mine works. :???

Thats why its in the trunk... 

I look forward to hearing how ALL your stuff works out...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on October 04, 2012, 11:55:06 am

Thats why its in the trunk...  

I noticed you did a rear bumper delete.
I had considered keeping mine installed because it weighed a LOT.
What I did to my back half...  I could lift the car by the bumper pads with the jack stand pivot point on the frame at the front where the K member bolts to.

There is almost no weight to our cars in the rear when the engine is installed and no rear axle.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 04, 2012, 12:47:41 pm
I was watching some stupid show called "car fix". they had a c10 pickup with the rear out and they picked it up by the rear frame rails and rolled it around like a wheelbarrow


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on October 04, 2012, 01:08:26 pm
How does your arb figure into you not having back seats? Im assuming you have team z junk like i do. I don't plan on running a rear seat either, but im curious.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 04, 2012, 01:11:10 pm
How does your arb figure into you not having back seats? Im assuming you have team z junk like i do. I don't plan on running a rear seat either, but im curious.

I have an anti-roll bar connected between the frame rails under the car, but I also have a a bar that connects the the rear shock towers together in the trunk/rear seat area in the car.  The roll bar is attached to the latter "in car" connecting bar.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on October 04, 2012, 01:11:40 pm
How does your arb figure into you not having back seats? Im assuming you have team z junk like i do. I don't plan on running a rear seat either, but im curious.
Do you have the TeamZ "re-located" stuff?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on October 04, 2012, 01:15:01 pm
Oh I gotcha. I was contemplating if that type of bar would be a good idea for myself as well as possibly something for the towers in the front. Yes Dana I have the z relocated uppers as well as the anti roll bar.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 04, 2012, 01:19:12 pm
Oh I gotcha. I was contemplating if that type of bar would be a good idea for myself as well as possibly something for the towers in the front. Yes Dana I have the z relocated uppers as well as the anti roll bar.

I do not see how a bar tying the front of the car would help in a drag race situation significantly enough to justify the added weight where you do not want it...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on October 04, 2012, 01:26:43 pm
And thats why I never gave it any serious thought.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on October 04, 2012, 02:36:47 pm
What K-member control arm set up do you have?? I know I could find out if I scrolled through 40+ pages.

Any chance, or way of allowing settings to be set so that the first post could in a thread could be used, and edited to contain a listing of all of the hard parts used on a project? That way if someone had a question like mine they could refer to it instead of having to scroll through XX number of pages?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 04, 2012, 02:46:54 pm
What K-member control arm set up do you have?? I know I could find out if I scrolled through 40+ pages.

Any chance, or way of allowing settings to be set so that the first post could in a thread could be used, and edited to contain a listing of all of the hard parts used on a project? That way if someone had a question like mine they could refer to it instead of having to scroll through XX number of pages?

I think that would be up to the OP doing it to his own thread - or maybe shooting a PM of what he wants to a MOD so it can be modified at a later date. 

I will update the first posting to reflect the hard parts.

I run Team Z junk...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on October 04, 2012, 04:05:00 pm
There is almost no weight to our cars in the rear

That is why I kept my rear bumper and heavy Optima battery. I'm also in the process of adding some rear weight.


Ergo... I was thinking of doing this for aesthetics more than for any safety/tech reasons.

It looks bad ass...

Yea, it did turn out better looking than I thought it would. A 2 or 3 piece would be needed with the roll bar.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on October 04, 2012, 04:34:08 pm
There is almost no weight to our cars in the rear

That is why I kept my rear bumper and heavy Optima battery. I'm also in the process of adding some rear weight.

Rich and I briefly talked about this.
He told me to remove every pound I could, then "ballast" it out where I need more weight, for that custom cg and cb


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on October 04, 2012, 04:47:27 pm
Rich and I briefly talked about this.
He told me to remove every pound I could, then "ballast" it out where I need more weight, for that custom cg and cb

I understand that. Previous experience with Fox coupes has taught me that they needed rear weight, even stock. The bumper is in a good location and also serves as a good place to secure weight. My battery and bottle are as far rearward as possible. I'm also adding weight just behind the wheel well.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 04, 2012, 04:54:59 pm
Rich and I briefly talked about this.
He told me to remove every pound I could, then "ballast" it out where I need more weight, for that custom cg and cb

I understand that. Previous experience with Fox coupes has taught me that they needed rear weight, even stock. The bumper is in a good location and also serves as a good place to secure weight. My battery and bottle are as far rearward as possible. I'm also adding weight just behind the wheel well.

My friends always told my I was a fool... but when ever I raced, I had a full tank of fuel.  It always helped!

I removed the rear bumper to lighten the car, but also to make it so I can add and subtract weight when I want...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on October 04, 2012, 08:50:07 pm
I think that would be up to the OP doing it to his own thread - or maybe shooting a PM of what he wants to a MOD so it can be modified at a later date.  
Right, this forum doesn't allow edits after a certain amount of time, which is fine, some are different. Thought it would be nice to be able to add the new goodies as the project went along to have it on one page, so others could see the stuff consolidated. Just something that occured to me so thought I'd throw it out there....

Thanks for the info, I had Team Z stuff on the wagon I sold to Brendan, it moved the wheels forward a little bit on mine as well.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on October 04, 2012, 09:20:52 pm
I got the extended Moroso studs in.  I only stripped two of them... IMHO, they are not great quality.  Should have went with ARP.

I also stripped two when I did mine. I stripped both of mine while trying to use regular nuts from the store to pull them through. I didn't have any more trouble after switching to a 13/16" hex lug nut. You should have called, I've got a few spares.  :)

Blue plug wires replaced (and routed just for you Mr. Juicy) with black firecore's.  
I feel so special. Its always nice to see something positive come from my sarcasm.  :orglaugh


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 05, 2012, 06:58:01 am
Ive almost always used fuel as ballast/traction device lol

so are you doing anything with the cage?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 05, 2012, 09:32:00 am
Ive almost always used fuel as ballast/traction device lol

so are you doing anything with the cage?

I have the CE tubing to make it a 10 pt.  I just don't think I want that in a convertible.

In all honesty what will most likely happen is that I get this combo tuned and ready to rock.  Then I will buy someones used race car roller and drop it all in.  That will be in the future...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on October 05, 2012, 10:49:06 am
Ive almost always used fuel as ballast/traction device lol

so are you doing anything with the cage?
Fuel @ 6.4lbs/gal and sloshing aft while accelerating is a huge weight transfer...  even more so the further aft from the axle. 

The smallish, square-ish and baffled fuel cells are designed with this in mind.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 05, 2012, 12:55:36 pm
Ive almost always used fuel as ballast/traction device lol

so are you doing anything with the cage?

I have the CE tubing to make it a 10 pt.  I just don't think I want that in a convertible.

In all honesty what will most likely happen is that I get this combo tuned and ready to rock.  Then I will buy someones used race car roller and drop it all in.  That will be in the future...

wouldnt it be easier to make it a coupe?  :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 05, 2012, 02:35:31 pm
Ive almost always used fuel as ballast/traction device lol

so are you doing anything with the cage?

I have the CE tubing to make it a 10 pt.  I just don't think I want that in a convertible.

In all honesty what will most likely happen is that I get this combo tuned and ready to rock.  Then I will buy someones used race car roller and drop it all in.  That will be in the future...

wouldnt it be easier to make it a coupe?  :spit:

 :o

Might be :bang


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 05, 2012, 02:38:39 pm
Some guys just want it all.  Power and the top down.  ;D 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 05, 2012, 02:58:27 pm
I think that would be up to the OP doing it to his own thread - or maybe shooting a PM of what he wants to a MOD so it can be modified at a later date. 
Right, this forum doesn't allow edits after a certain amount of time, which is fine, some are different. Thought it would be nice to be able to add the new goodies as the project went along to have it on one page, so others could see the stuff consolidated. Just something that occured to me so thought I'd throw it out there....

Thanks for the info, I had Team Z stuff on the wagon I sold to Brendan, it moved the wheels forward a little bit on mine as well.

I updated the first post to reflect the current hard parts for ease of reference. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 05, 2012, 03:06:42 pm
Some guys just want it all.  Power and the top down.  ;D 

Yep.

That is why my replacement engine for this convertible (if I ever buy a race car for the turbo junk) will be pretty silly.

 ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on October 05, 2012, 03:59:05 pm
My car will look really nice with your turbo stuff in it...

Just sayin'...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on October 05, 2012, 03:59:43 pm
Will you post more pictures of your whole car please?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 05, 2012, 04:52:21 pm
I plan on finishing up the underside junk this weekend and then I will take it off the stands and clean it up.

I am welding 1" square tubing and some supports to the pinch weld that runs along side the car so I can actually get a jack under this beast...

I have some clean up and tightening work to do under there also...

If the Cardinals win today I have box seats for Sunday's playoff game so i wont get much done this weekend.  If they lose, I will have lots of time (an extra 3-4 hours a night) to work on this pile.

Then I will get some photos.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 05, 2012, 06:07:48 pm
just finish the cage

jeeps pull it off just fine?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 05, 2012, 10:01:04 pm
I weighed some junk...

The 15x3.5 Weld Wheels with inflated tires weigh 20.5lbs.
The 15.8 Bullit wheels with flat Goodyear 245/17 tires weighed 48lbs.

The 95GT loaded caliper and line weighed 22lbs.
The PBR loaded caliper and line weighed under 5.

That is a nice chunk of unsprung weight off the front end!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: gtvert90 on October 05, 2012, 10:06:04 pm
crazy difference in the calipers. Have pics?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on October 05, 2012, 10:06:28 pm
Remove the inner fenders and box frame...  replace with chromoly. ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 06, 2012, 08:30:44 am
crazy difference in the calipers. Have pics?

Just these:

1995 Caliper (one on the car and the extra I have:
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01006.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/0724121650.jpg)

1999 PBR alum caliper I had polished by its1fastcat
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01109.jpg)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/DSC01106.jpg)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 06, 2012, 10:12:53 am
my new edge seemed to brake better than my sn95.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 06, 2012, 11:57:53 am
Was hoping Chipper and the Braves would go deeper into the playoffs.  Have fun at the game. 

PBR caliper???  Pabst Blue Ribbon only makes beer.  :???



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: eckertd on October 06, 2012, 03:50:04 pm
Was hoping Chipper and the Braves would go deeper into the playoffs.  Have fun at the game. 

PBR caliper???  Pabst Blue Ribbon only makes beer.  :???



I was hoping Beltran might go down looking for the final out of the game with the tying & winning runs on. 

A longshot, I know, but a Mets fan can dream (we're certainly getting good at it).


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on October 06, 2012, 08:56:58 pm
Pabst Blue Ribbon only makes beer.  :???

A good friend of mine works at that brewery.  They also make Lonestar and a bunch of other beers.  They get to drink free beer at 5pm every day.  He brings me an occasional free 12 pack because he gets free beer.   :rock


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 10, 2012, 05:36:52 pm
Mmmmm... PBR

Local bar to me has great wings and 16oz PBR draws for $1.00.  Its not high quality suds, but it does the job while watching baseball with friends.

ANYWAY

I have been fighting E85 tuning issues with this pile for awhile, but had a long productive talk with Rick Anderson today.  Made some major changes to the program and fire up will be Friday.  Cross your fingers for me.



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on October 11, 2012, 11:48:50 am
Best of good luck to you Nathan!      :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 11, 2012, 12:31:13 pm
That's great news.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on October 11, 2012, 04:42:11 pm
Great news! Just remember the more expensive something is the more problematic the bolt on, or somthing along those lines I was once told.  I just want to fire mine up once before Dec 21. Sure would like to hear my junk once before we all say night night. :drink


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 12, 2012, 02:27:19 pm
I literally give up.

Everything on this car except the car itself, the suspension and fuel tank and lines will be for sale shortly.  And hell, if the price is right, that junk would be for sale also.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on October 12, 2012, 02:54:47 pm
I literally give up.

Everything on this car except the car itself, the suspension and fuel tank and lines will be for sale shortly.  And hell, if the price is right, that junk would be for sale also.


Are you trying to find a high rpm misfire too?!?!?     :jawdrop:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 12, 2012, 02:58:33 pm
I literally give up.

Everything on this car except the car itself, the suspension and fuel tank and lines will be for sale shortly.  And hell, if the price is right, that junk would be for sale also.


Are you trying to find a high rpm misfire too?!?!?     :jawdrop:

 ;)

Nah.  I just want my life back.  Tired of screwing with this junk....


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: GrimLX on October 12, 2012, 03:00:10 pm
Wow what happend man?

If you are sure you want out, I might be interested in the 205s.

Sorry to hear


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 12, 2012, 03:03:56 pm
I am getting out... that is for sure.

I want the parts I have now listed to sell first before I touch the longblock.  I have some thinking to do on that part yet...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 12, 2012, 05:39:12 pm
I know the feeling  :loser

think it over. best thing might be throw a cover over it for a few months. then you'll have a better vision and realize what you really want


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on October 12, 2012, 06:02:05 pm
I know the feeling  :loser

think it over. best thing might be throw a cover over it for a few months. then you'll have a better vision and realize what you really want

Plus one, cool down for a week or two and think it over.  Then sell everything to me if you still want out.   ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 12, 2012, 06:42:28 pm
or go buy a 13 if you got it like that  :drink


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fidstang on October 12, 2012, 08:20:41 pm
I'm kind of disappointed that your are giving up in the home stretch. Yes, tuning is probably the hardest part, but why not just start out with pump gas? Your starting with low boost anyways.

But, I guess just like in court when you have a highly paid well known defense lawyer vs. a public sector attorney. You just know you need to throw the towel in.  :chair


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 12, 2012, 09:04:02 pm
I am not giving up "per se"

But you have no idea!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 12, 2012, 09:55:48 pm
Take a step back and chill out. You've got all winter now. By the time you sell everything and find a new direction, you would likely have this thing licked.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 13, 2012, 12:58:28 pm
The car now starts (all be it hard), but it starts.  It also idles.

Derek over at the Bullet noticed that in one of the internal sections of the program, it was low on fuel at startup.  Which is what I had been telling Holley all along - it seemed that the injectors would shut off after it started.

It also was adding 25* of timing at crank.  Not sure why Holley had that in the start up tune... but

Anyway - added a bunch of fuel for startup and pulled start timing.

We are getting there.  :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on October 13, 2012, 01:01:13 pm
 :ban   great to hear! So plan on coming back to dubuque for a couple days when I will be trying to get mine going.... lol


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 13, 2012, 03:34:43 pm
my car is exact opposite I pull a bunch of fuel and add a bunch of timing. I also have an a9l and a pms but just to compare notes "per se" I realize 2 completely different worlds. your injectors are 3x the size of mine!

 :party

keep at it there is light at the end of the tunnel


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on October 13, 2012, 03:54:58 pm
If your that close Nathan, dont give up on it! 

I wish I never sold my turbo setup!  I got tired of the hassles and headaches too... I went with a N/A 410 with decent power to keep things simple, however, I sure do miss the Turbo... 

Keep everything you have and make it work!  If you have to walk away from it for a month or two, so be it!  Your getting closer, thats better than starting over!  I walked away from mine for over a year so I could concentrate and finish school, now I have the time to work on it again and feel good about it!

But, I do know exactly where you are coming from!  Its easy to get burnt out on this stuff when you invest so much time and money and only have headaches to show for it!!!

Its going to be a nice project, just get it tuned and you will be happy!
Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 13, 2012, 04:00:17 pm
Been tuning it the last hour.  Its getting way better.  I also got someone at Holley to help... this guy knows his stuff.  WAY more to this program than I knew about!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fast88 on October 13, 2012, 07:52:19 pm
Just keep hittin' it!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: nealysa on October 14, 2012, 02:58:49 am
Progress is always good.  A lot of people don't realize the scope of a project to make 1000+ horsepower. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: fidstang on October 14, 2012, 04:26:14 pm
 :rock on.

Keep plugging away. I know exactly what your going through. I finally have a good tune on my Cobra and I'm still dealing with some small things. But, now I have found the power limit of my Centerforce dual friction clutch. Anything over 4400rpm or 10psi and I start burning the clutch. Sucks.

You'll get there.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 14, 2012, 07:55:32 pm
Now that I know it works I will pm you my shipping information.  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 15, 2012, 09:27:32 am
 :D
Now that I know it works I will pm you my shipping information.  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 09, 2012, 11:51:16 am
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/th_video-2012-11-09-10-13-16.jpg) (http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/video-2012-11-09-10-13-16.mp4)

I took the video in my enclosed garage so the sound is sketchy, but you get the idea.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on November 09, 2012, 02:44:19 pm
You didn't blip the throttle????      :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 11, 2012, 09:03:49 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVODPtn6Fxo

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=522142


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 12, 2012, 11:52:01 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVODPtn6Fxo

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=522142

wow... that looks like a lot of work.

Very cool though!  Body guys can do anything...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 12, 2012, 06:13:42 pm
now you know~ at 175 the windows blow out  :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on November 20, 2012, 04:45:01 pm
So Nathan, it's running and driving now?  Have you cruised it around yet?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 20, 2012, 05:17:19 pm
Its running. i drove it once when the brakes locked up and wouldn't release. i took the brake system apart and that is where i left it


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on November 20, 2012, 06:45:04 pm
Its running. i drove it once when the brakes locked up and wouldn't release. i took the brake system apart and that is where i left it

Brings a new meaning to putting the brakes on your project. It would be funny of it wasn't so upsetting.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 20, 2012, 10:18:53 pm
Sometimes I wonder why I love this hobby so much... because it sure frustrates me all to often...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: wywindsor on November 25, 2012, 12:47:30 pm
Hope all is going well. I have had many hobbies over the years that I thought were to be fun. However I let them get the best of me and quit, only in time to find that I missed the satisfaction of each. I shot archery on a professional level for several years, It started by having fun and when the fun ran out , all I could think about was winning. I became angry and threw temper tantrums. I let this affect my home life as well. This was more of a life style hobbie. I spent countless hours and money shooting. So did my family as they shot as well.

     A few years ago I quit what I thought was my holy grail of a hobbie to spend time with the family. I do miss shooting and so does the family and on occasion we go to the range. I have since raced moto x with the kids, built drift cars and many other hobbies. I sold my first car to shoot and now have another. There are many things in life that can fustrate one and to each they differ. My job, family and just traffic can piss one off so don't let the little things you enjoy piss you off. I have sold shit just to start something else. REPEAT.  Have fun as I'm sure you got a shit eatin grin the first time your came to life.


        Ray


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 29, 2012, 02:06:09 pm
The Kirkey Pro Seat and gray cloth cover came in today, so I took the opportunity to weigh them... they (together) tipped the scales at a whopping 8lbs.

I am still waiting on the bracket from Holcomb Motorsports to mount it to the floor and to the roll bar - but the tech guy on the phone said they will weigh approx. 3lbs.

I weighed the stock leather power seats.  The passenger side weighed 38lbs.  The Drivers side weighed 40lbs.  Not sure why there is that much difference...

anyway.

The Cobra MC also came in today.  It weighs under 1lbs.  The Lincoln/SVO MC I took off the car weighs 4 1/2 lbs.

This car is going to be a feather before I am done!



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 29, 2012, 08:15:07 pm
Sometimes I wonder why I love this hobby so much... because it sure frustrates me all to often...

my car is a complete shitpile. it was my only driver for a few weeks. I remember thinking wtf am I doing? lol.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on November 29, 2012, 08:23:16 pm
Nate you will have to let me know how these seats are as far as comfort. I really want some new seats myself, but since I want to put some good street miles on im thinking these might not be the best option for me. But damn those weight savings are tempting lol.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 29, 2012, 10:08:37 pm
Sometimes I wonder why I love this hobby so much... because it sure frustrates me all to often...

my car is a complete shitpile. it was my only driver for a few weeks. I remember thinking wtf am I doing? lol.
those are the good ones jay. Not a ton invested...just fun to build and drive!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on November 29, 2012, 11:15:28 pm
It's extra cool that the weight is being lost from the front seats forward.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 21, 2013, 12:01:30 pm
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/2013-01-19133351_zps09d47490.jpg)

and the hood still closes...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on January 21, 2013, 12:33:30 pm
 :drool:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 17, 2013, 01:12:13 pm
Thought I should/would/could update this debacle since I am actually driving the car again.

I wanted a 5 speed back and I didn't want to die in a fiery crash so I toned the build way down.

So off went the turbo and out went the Auto and I threw this on for the time being:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/2013-07-01174402_zps01feb735.jpg) (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/moonenn3186/media/2013-07-01174402_zps01feb735.jpg.html)

I also swapped to Aerospace drag brakes in the front.
TKO transmission (that I forgot I had)
AFM clutch n flywheel junk

It hauls ass... and the blow off valve is set to only build 1 psi. Cant wait to turn it up after the Holley ECM does some more self learning.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on July 17, 2013, 01:21:03 pm
Thats sweet.. I can respect your decision and they route you chose, will be more fun on the street. Safer too!

Congrats,  Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 17, 2013, 01:33:11 pm
So that's what a toned down build is to you?  :jawdrop: 

Glad to hear you're driving it now.  Look forward to hearing how crazy it gets with some boost.  :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 17, 2013, 01:35:17 pm
So that's what a toned down build is to you?  :jawdrop: 

Glad to hear you're driving it now.  Look forward to hearing how crazy it gets with some boost.  :burnout

Comparatively... yep!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 17, 2013, 03:23:12 pm
What size is that turbo and is it for sale?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on July 17, 2013, 03:24:51 pm
Did turbo sell Nathan? or you building another car.

By the way the NOVI is a great blower of choice, you should have some fun with this build.

Brent



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 17, 2013, 03:30:53 pm
I do not have a turbo for sale.   :msorry:

Most of the time I enjoy the build way more than the drive.  But I think I am going to like this.  I say that with only having about 15 minutes of seat time so far.

The Kirkey seats are not as uncomfortable as I thought they would be... but it sure ain't easy getting in the car. 


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on July 17, 2013, 03:36:44 pm
I do not have a turbo for sale.   :msorry:

Most of the time I enjoy the build way more than the drive.  But I think I am going to like this.  I say that with only having about 15 minutes of seat time so far.

The Kirkey seats are not as uncomfortable as I thought they would be... but it sure ain't easy getting in the car. 

Change it back to stock seats and enjoy the convertible more, you have a nice rare car Nathan.  I'm glad to see you keep more street oriented and enjoying it.

I would love to sell my motor and trans and go back toward more of a stock built car, using a coyote transplant though.  Drive it anywhere, get good mileage, and rip off low 11 second timeslips from time to time.

Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Rotax on July 17, 2013, 08:11:41 pm
I understand going back to a  5 speed, but why ditch the turbo for a centrifugal?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: TooFast98Cobra on July 18, 2013, 07:59:18 am
nice job Nathan!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 18, 2013, 10:01:04 am
I understand going back to a  5 speed, but why ditch the turbo for a centrifugal?

1. I personally do not think the two mix very well.  Getting a turbo to load with a stick shift is a pain. 

2. The centrifugal costs less, takes almost 100lbs off the front of the car as compared to the T6 turbo, and matches to a stick car much better.

Its just more fun to drive this way. 

And, I wont be tempted to turn up the boost so high as I could with the former turbo setup.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on July 18, 2013, 10:12:53 am
Glad to see you're enjoying it again.  I miss my vert.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 18, 2013, 11:26:21 am

And, I wont be tempted to turn up the boost so high as I could with the former turbo setup.


Nathan - would you explain that statement more - as in why you wouldn't be tempted to up the boost so high with the S/C versus that "former turbo setup"?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 18, 2013, 11:54:03 am

And, I wont be tempted to turn up the boost so high as I could with the former turbo setup.


Nathan - would you explain that statement more - as in why you wouldn't be tempted to up the boost so high with the S/C versus that "former turbo setup"?

With a centrifugal supercharger (actually all superchargers I think), you can only build so much boost without a pulley change.  And that can be kind of a pain in the ass.  And even then, you are limited to the RPM you can spin a supercharger before you either 1. superheat the air to the point that you loose power or 2. overheat the bearings and blow your junk up.  Therefore, It can be adjusted with an adjustable bypass valve (like the Paxton/Vortech mondo) up to that max your pulley setup allows for, but never over that.

With a turbo (a very very large one like I had on the car) - I could build a boost number beyond reasonable comprehension and sanity with the simple click of some keys on my laptop due to my special wastegate and EFI program from Holley.

I equate the two to spending money.

1. A pulley driven supercharger is like having $100 bills in your pocket that you had to dig a ditch by hand to get.

2. An aftermarket EFI powered Turbo is like having your dad's credit card.

Spending your hard earned cash gathering sweat in your pocket makes you think before buying anything.  Having your dad's credit card on the other hand?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Rotax on July 18, 2013, 12:49:30 pm
Thanx for the reply.
I almost wish i had a YSi sometimes... Will try the turbo first.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on July 18, 2013, 08:05:49 pm
I understand going back to a  5 speed, but why ditch the turbo for a centrifugal?

Its more commonly know as "being a Puss"

 :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Rotax on July 18, 2013, 10:30:36 pm
With a turbo (a very very large one like I had on the car)

Which turbo was it?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 18, 2013, 11:08:18 pm
I understand going back to a  5 speed, but why ditch the turbo for a centrifugal?

Its more commonly know as "being a Puss"

 :spit:
where is the "mooning" smiley...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 18, 2013, 11:08:38 pm
With a turbo (a very very large one like I had on the car)

Which turbo was it?
S480


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on July 18, 2013, 11:20:16 pm
I understand going back to a  5 speed, but why ditch the turbo for a centrifugal?

Its more commonly know as "being a Puss"

 :spit:
where is the "mooning" smiley...

LoL..... well at least you went back to the man peddle!

Engine looks good!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: badwhite98 on July 18, 2013, 11:21:45 pm
Looks good buddy!

Its all about enjoying what you have....that's whats important!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 19, 2013, 12:14:00 am
My four year old daughter just said, "that's a cool mouse".  I was going to give you a hard time  but can't after that. LOL!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 351 windsor snake on July 19, 2013, 04:38:17 am
My four year old daughter just said, "that's a cool mouse".  I was going to give you a hard time  but can't after that. LOL!
Wow, is your daughter really four already!
Where have the years gone?
I think I need to get out of this chair and do something,lol.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 19, 2013, 10:06:28 am
With a turbo (a very very large one like I had on the car)

Which turbo was it?
S480


As your ride sits (don't add any more boost and NO slicks!) - do you think that you could beat the Merc in an 1/8 mile run?      ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on July 19, 2013, 10:29:29 am
lately I been thinking some twins and a powerglide with like a 3.08 gear would be a hot setup  :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 21, 2013, 09:16:23 pm
With a turbo (a very very large one like I had on the car)

Which turbo was it?
S480


As your ride sits (don't add any more boost and NO slicks!) - do you think that you could beat the Merc in an 1/8 mile run?      ;D
Bring it to the sbftech meet this late summer and find out!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on July 22, 2013, 09:05:52 am
As your ride sits (don't add any more boost and NO slicks!) - do you think that you could beat the Merc in an 1/8 mile run?      ;D
Bring it to the sbftech meet this late summer and find out!

 :yes: :exactly:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 31, 2013, 02:51:10 pm
This just in:

If you want to find every conceivable place your engine will leak oil, add mucho boost.

Still playing with the tune and finding bugs ( and leaks obviously), but I can honestly say its a running driving car again.  What a good feeling  :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: TooFast98Cobra on July 31, 2013, 02:54:09 pm
Congrats Nate!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on July 31, 2013, 03:10:32 pm
Sweet!! :ban


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on July 31, 2013, 03:22:02 pm
Must be nice. .. But seriously congrats!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on July 31, 2013, 03:41:31 pm
 :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Bam54 on July 31, 2013, 04:55:37 pm
Nice glad to hear you have it running again.

Bam


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on July 31, 2013, 05:16:42 pm
Congrats!   :thumb:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 31, 2013, 08:40:36 pm
 :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 27, 2013, 12:47:54 pm
Car is running well enough for some shakedown runs tonight...

He is dressed to race!
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/2013-09-26161122_zpse627cff4.jpg) (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/moonenn3186/media/2013-09-26161122_zpse627cff4.jpg.html)

I will be running at 5psi tonight.  Just some shakedown runs planned.  Maybe one full pass at low boost.  Get a baseline...

I will post up results tonight (late) or tomorrow...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 27, 2013, 12:55:36 pm
Sweet and good luck!  :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: TooFast98Cobra on September 27, 2013, 01:02:13 pm
Good luck and be safe.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on September 27, 2013, 01:20:39 pm
Car looks Great Nathan, good luck !

Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on September 27, 2013, 03:17:29 pm
I will post up results tonight (late) or tomorrow...
Make sure to put 1/8th mile incrementals for us goobs in the south east.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on September 27, 2013, 03:29:55 pm
I will post up results tonight (late) or tomorrow...
Make sure to put 1/8th mile incrementals for us goobs in the south east.

He doesn't have his boy pants on yet to go 1/4!  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on September 27, 2013, 03:52:58 pm
off topic but how do you like those kirkeys? Ive been eying them up but they look uncomfortable for the street?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 27, 2013, 03:55:51 pm
I will post up results tonight (late) or tomorrow...
Make sure to put 1/8th mile incrementals for us goobs in the south east.

He doesn't have his boy pants on yet to go 1/4!  ;D

You mean Man pants?  Just because you MUST shop in the little boys department, doesn't mean the rest of us do ;)

Jay - I love the Kirkeys.  I sat in their base seat, and that was god awful.  I bought the pro's.  I was in the car for over an hour last weekend with no ill effects.  They could use a bit of additional padding in the lumbar area though (which you can add).


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on September 27, 2013, 06:38:09 pm
He doesn't have his boy pants on yet to go 1/4!  ;D
You of all people should hardly be bringing up boy pants.... :orglaugh

I drove up to Iowa to run a 1/4 a couple years ago, the closest one around here is 3 1/2 hours away. It's bad enough I have to drive 2 hours to get to an 1/8th mile track.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on September 27, 2013, 07:19:31 pm
 :spit:

Shit was supposed to be "big boy" pants! LoL

 :drink


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 27, 2013, 08:12:42 pm
Track Only running 1/8mile tonight. Two runs so far. best 60' 1.475 mph 109.78.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 27, 2013, 08:41:42 pm
You're definitely making some power!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on September 27, 2013, 10:40:38 pm
Sweet!  :ban


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 27, 2013, 11:10:16 pm
 :rock


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on September 28, 2013, 10:02:30 am
its making some good power. especially for 5 #'s!!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on September 28, 2013, 10:14:34 am
What was your ET? 6.40's ? 6.30's?


Nice to know you can run 109mph on an extremely mild tune!
Just think what it will do with 3x the boost!  :)

Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 28, 2013, 01:22:13 pm
I never got a clean pass. bugs to work out and all. typical Friday night tuners everywhere track prep. I saw vht put down twice all night. Had one good launch but then got all slippery about 300'...had to back out.  Best ET was Damn near 7 flat...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 28, 2013, 01:23:39 pm
Not making excuses...just is what it is. MPH is promising, and the car stayed straight most of the night. no major issues to report, so I am very pleased.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on September 28, 2013, 05:22:03 pm
I never got a clean pass. bugs to work out and all. typical Friday night tuners everywhere track prep. I saw vht put down twice all night. Had one good launch but then got all slippery about 300'...had to back out.  Best ET was Damn near 7 flat...
THat's still pretty good, with the MPH it shows there's a good amount left to whittle down.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 29, 2013, 01:39:49 am
Not making excuses...just is what it is. MPH is promising, and the car stayed straight most of the night. no major issues to report, so I am very pleased.

I'd be very pleased as well considering it's the first time out on a test 'n tune night with the power you're making. :clap


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 29, 2013, 10:35:19 am
5# of boost is like a 200hp shot on your engine?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 29, 2013, 11:06:11 am
5# of boost is like a 200hp shot on your engine?


Ah...no. its a little more than overcoming the parasitic loss due to the blower belt and heat of the compressed air.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 29, 2013, 11:07:52 am
5# of boost is like a 200hp shot on your engine?


Ah...no. its a little more than overcoming the parasitic loss due to the blower belt and heat of the compressed air.
maybe a 100 shot equivalent.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: wywindsor on September 29, 2013, 11:16:54 am
Having a 200 shot is instant power when activated. Nathan has a centrifugal supercharger that builds boost as it spools. You can build two engines with the same amount of static compression and cam. Put  a well designed  intake and exhaust system on one and use restricted factory parts on the other. You will have more boost on the restricted one and less power. This is using the same supercharger setup.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 29, 2013, 04:57:10 pm
Having a 200 shot is instant power when activated.


And breaks the engine that much sooner ...      :P


Nathan has a centrifugal supercharger that builds boost as it spools. You can build two engines with the same amount of static compression and cam. Put  a well designed  intake and exhaust system on one and use restricted factory parts on the other. You will have more boost on the restricted one and less power. This is using the same supercharger setup.


I am curiously interested in why Nathan went with a S/C set-up this time instead of a turbo?  Maybe to mess around with something "new" - the spice of variety?      ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on September 29, 2013, 05:01:31 pm
Maybe because turbos are not as reliable as a good Paxton supercharger is , plus it's not a plumbing nightmare!

Personally, I think he made a wise choice for what he is doing . (More of a street / strip car)
Turbos seem to break down a lot Robert.

Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 29, 2013, 06:52:56 pm
Yep... and turbo/manual combos almost always seem to under-perform, and I didn't enjoy having an auto transmission in my car.

I plan on switching to a pro-shifted or faceplated TKO 600 this off season. I will say the standard TKO and the AFM Hi-rev clutch worked flawlessly this weekend though.

WyWindsor is also on to something - 5psi with my top end is not a normal 5psi ...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on September 29, 2013, 07:08:19 pm
Having a 200 shot is instant power when activated.


And breaks the engine that much sooner ...      :P

 :dissap:  An engine like that would live for years on a 200 shot, with a half-ass tune.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: wywindsor on September 29, 2013, 07:25:46 pm
By the way the trans I bought from you work great.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on September 30, 2013, 07:47:40 am
Having a 200 shot is instant power when activated.


And breaks the engine that much sooner ...      :P

 :dissap:  An engine like that would live for years on a 200 shot, with a half-ass tune.

werd


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 30, 2013, 11:51:58 am
Maybe because turbos are not as reliable as a good Paxton supercharger is , plus it's not a plumbing nightmare!

Personally, I think he made a wise choice for what he is doing . (More of a street / strip car)
Turbos seem to break down a lot Robert.

Brent


I did not know that turbos break down a lot.  Like where?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on September 30, 2013, 12:39:02 pm
Maybe because turbos are not as reliable as a good Paxton supercharger is , plus it's not a plumbing nightmare!

Personally, I think he made a wise choice for what he is doing . (More of a street / strip car)
Turbos seem to break down a lot Robert.

Brent



I did not know that turbos break down a lot.  Like where?

I have seen more turbo failure in the past 4 years than I have superchargers...
Bearings, shafts, impellers.... you name it I see a lot of failure! Granted, most of the ones I have seen fail are not your top of the line $3000 turbo's.  (turbocharging is expensive if done right)

 I "and this is my opinion" do not feel the majority of the turbo's are built as good as they use to.  More and more people think they can go the cheap Ebay route and build their own kit with a cheap turbo. (I see a lot of this)

TURBOS BUILD HEAT..... Heat destroys parts!

If you do get a quality piece, you will pay heavily for it.  Turbo's are great for a race car with an Automatic, other than that, I have seen plenty of nitrous cars pull around the turbo cars on hot days!

Nitrous is still the great equalizer, even though it is not as popular as turbo or supercharger.
I have had nitrous and turbo, I love them both!  I still chose nitrous over the turbo, for street /strip car.

I still like superchargers for the street and if I was to go that route I would love to go with a Whipple Charger WITH A CARB!!!  (they don't make on for SBF) other than that the Quality and reliability of a Paxton is hard to beat for he money....  I am not an ATI PRO-CHARGER FAN, their brackets are cheap and are prone to belt failure.

With all that said, I still think Nathan made a smart decision on his build. He will get a lot of use out of it without wrenching on it all the time!


Remember, turbo kits add a lot more weight to your car compared to the other two power adders, not to mention a plumbing nightmare at times.  The older I get I want simplicity!

Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 30, 2013, 02:39:12 pm
What about the extra side-load of the driving belt on the crankshaft "snout"?  Neglible?      :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Mr.Blue on September 30, 2013, 03:21:19 pm
Car looks great homie! At least you got to the track :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 30, 2013, 08:18:36 pm
I still like superchargers for the street and if I was to go that route I would love to go with a Whipple Charger WITH A CARB!!!  (they don't make on for SBF)

It kills me that they don't have a Hot Rod series for the 8.2 and 9.5 deck small block Ford.  It would be such a simple swap for me.  I'd love to put a Whipple on the 289 in the Mustang, wife's 6.0L G8 GT, and my 6.2L Denali.  Now to figure out how I could afford it and the gas.  :duh

Seriously, let me know if any of you know how to get the smaller twin screw Whipple Charger to work on a 8.2 deck Ford.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on September 30, 2013, 08:50:00 pm
I still like superchargers for the street and if I was to go that route I would love to go with a Whipple Charger WITH A CARB!!!  (they don't make on for SBF)

It kills me that they don't have a Hot Rod series for the 8.2 and 9.5 deck small block Ford.  It would be such a simple swap for me.  I'd love to put a Whipple on the 289 in the Mustang, wife's 6.0L G8 GT, and my 6.2L Denali.  Now to figure out how I could afford it and the gas.  :duh

Seriously, let me know if any of you know how to get the smaller twin screw Whipple Charger to work on a 8.2 deck Ford.

I already have an ide on how to do it Nate.  just might be costly and a Machine shop will be required!
Hint..... they already have them for SBC

brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 01, 2013, 12:32:07 am
http://forums.corral.net/forums/5-0-5-8-engine-tech/1405386-pizano-method-sbf-roots-foxbody.html


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 01, 2013, 04:06:44 pm
How much more boost are you planning to throw at it Nathan?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on October 01, 2013, 04:33:11 pm
Nathan, now you have me re-thinking my game plan.  Maybe a S/C would be better for the Merc when the "time" comes ...


 :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: z-adamson on October 01, 2013, 04:46:18 pm
What about the extra side-load of the driving belt on the crankshaft "snout"?  Neglible?      :dunno

I always wondered that one myself. That huge belt and as far as it is spaced from the harmonic balancer has to be doing something to the crank and main bearings. I don't know how much tension is on the belt, but every aftermarket SC set up I have seen has the SC pulley spaced way out and it has to be side loading the crank.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 01, 2013, 11:23:08 pm
Car looks great homie! At least you got to the track :burnout

Yep...had a blast! Might try to get to the last run of the season this Sunday. Made some changes to the tune based on my datalogs this last weekend. Would be interesting to see how the mph is effected.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 02, 2013, 12:50:29 am
I'd love to hear how it runs with the changes.  Sounds like you're excited about it again!  :yes:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 02, 2013, 07:23:42 am
I'd love to hear how it runs with the changes.  Sounds like you're excited about it again!  :yes:
Its going to be weather dependent. If its nice... I'll take it down.

Last time out I was running my "economy" tune. Noticed it on my datalogs. Bone head move - bad labeling of the tunes is all. Should make a noticeable difference...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 02, 2013, 12:56:31 pm
I think your economy tune will go 110 plus with decent track prep.

I've got a few questions.  What Paxton supercharger are you running, what rpm are you turning, and is it still running on E85?  It's one wicked four eyed convertible!  :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Mr.Blue on October 02, 2013, 12:57:08 pm
Might try to get to the last run of the season this Sunday.  

Wow.............we got it good around here..........feel bad for some of you guys :loser lol........


   
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Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 02, 2013, 01:24:33 pm
Very!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 02, 2013, 02:09:52 pm
I think your economy tune will go 110 plus with decent track prep.

I've got a few questions.  What Paxton supercharger are you running, what rpm are you turning, and is it still running on E85?  It's one wicked four eyed convertible!  :burnout

In boost - it was running about 8.5:1 AFR.  E85 boost AFR should be in the 7.0-7.5 range.  So its a big difference.  My timing was also turned way down under boost - like 10 extra degrees down.

I am running a NOVI2000 - Renengade

I was short shifting at 5800-5900 last weekend.  I plan on shifting around max impeller RPM (6400-6500) with the pulley combinations.

I am still running E85 yes.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 02, 2013, 06:52:37 pm
Man, you've just scratched the surface with that combo.  You're going to be FLYING once things get sorted.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 03, 2013, 04:22:34 pm
Man, you've just scratched the surface with that combo.  You're going to be FLYING once things get sorted.

That is the plan...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 03, 2013, 04:26:53 pm
Was on the phone with a dyno tuner who does a lot of E85 and boost work.  I told him my changes... his reply was "I wouldn't be surprised if you added 200 hp"

You never know until you have it at the track - but when I say I was just doing some low boost shakedown runs, I meant it.  I am really excited to get this rollin'


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on October 03, 2013, 04:39:45 pm
Best of luck to you at cranking out the horses, Nathan -- next time let 'er rip!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: wywindsor on October 03, 2013, 06:34:59 pm
I have built all the adapter to make a eaton fit on a holley ssii. I could easily setup one for a whipple. They put all the specs on their site. they will also send you a prototype to go from for 500.00. Anyone in?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 03, 2013, 07:32:48 pm
I have built all the adapter to make a eaton fit on a holley ssii. I could easily setup one for a whipple. They put all the specs on their site. they will also send you a prototype to go from for 500.00. Anyone in?

My interest was largely based on a nostalgia vibe that would go well with my old Mustang.  Carb on a blower just like the good old days.  No money for such a thing at the moment though.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: wywindsor on October 03, 2013, 10:32:08 pm
Whipple has a carb setup as well. Just plug the inj. holes. Dyer's superchargers started this Idea.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 03, 2013, 10:38:28 pm
I thought Holley had a roots blower for the 289/302?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: eckertd on October 04, 2013, 08:42:49 am
I have built all the adapter to make a eaton fit on a holley ssii. I could easily setup one for a whipple. They put all the specs on their site. they will also send you a prototype to go from for 500.00. Anyone in?

My interest was largely based on a nostalgia vibe that would go well with my old Mustang.  Carb on a blower just like the good old days.  No money for such a thing at the moment though.

Nostalgia?  How about a Paxton with that flat-black carb enclosure?  Always liked that look...or the chrome "hats" they used on Studebakers.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 04, 2013, 03:34:45 pm
I thought Holley had a roots blower for the 289/302?

Yes, they have had one for a while.  Problem is it isn't the newer vastly more efficient design.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 07, 2013, 08:58:26 pm
Weighed my car this weekend. 3340 with full tank of fuel.

I also drove it with the more aggressive tune ( added 5 degrees timing and about 10% more fuel). It drove like a completely different car. 1st and 2nd were completely useless with drag radials. Boost still set at 5-6psi.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: the only Qualk on October 08, 2013, 09:28:00 am
Any video of it idling/running?  :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on October 08, 2013, 10:38:52 am
Any video of it idling/running?  :burnout


 :ahprepare:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 08, 2013, 02:56:05 pm
Yes, but don't judge.  This was the second run of the new combo.  Hadn't quite figured out the launch rpm...or remembered how to shift a brand new tko.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/th_IMG_1037_zpsc0cb9c7e.jpg) (http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/IMG_1037_zpsc0cb9c7e.mp4)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on October 08, 2013, 03:10:31 pm
Yes, but don't judge.  This was the second run of the new combo.  Hadn't quite figured out the launch rpm...or remembered how to shift a brand new tko.


See Nathan what a PITA driving a stick-shift is?      :out:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 08, 2013, 03:52:55 pm
No.  Bunch of teenage girls racing that night...they all had automatics.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: the only Qualk on October 08, 2013, 05:00:33 pm
Yes, but don't judge.  This was the second run of the new combo.  Hadn't quite figured out the launch rpm...or remembered how to shift a brand new tko.


Hell my falcon has not even seen the dragstrip.  :punch
so no judging here lol.
 also the link is a mobile link lol


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: wywindsor on October 08, 2013, 07:17:56 pm
MORE


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 08, 2013, 07:27:18 pm
At least the front wheel came off the ground. It's going to be a mean machine when all is sorted.  :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Brent Clay on October 08, 2013, 07:56:37 pm
Nathan, that car is going to be a beast!  Now you understand why  2.95 first gear is nice to have when drag racing with a stick, it will cary you past the 60ft. Mark before you shift into second gear!


I don't think you even touched the tip of the iceberg with this combo!
Your detuned setup runs strong!

Congrats
Brent


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 08, 2013, 09:58:59 pm
Not sure I will get racing again this year, but if I do I will get video. I picked up a faceplated TKO 600 Saturday. Not sure on what clutch to run yet...but it should be a handful with the good transmission and the better tune...low boost or not!

It has some snort...that is for sure...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: lonestang95 on October 08, 2013, 10:00:48 pm
I am extremely happy with the feel and function so far from my mcleod rxt.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Mr.Blue on October 09, 2013, 07:45:05 am
No.  Bunch of teenage girls racing that night...they all had automatics.

 :spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 09, 2013, 08:39:39 am
I am extremely happy with the feel and function so far from my mcleod rxt.
I would like a ride in that car ...see how it feels.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: HIGHVOLTJ on October 09, 2013, 01:38:39 pm
Yes, but don't judge.  This was the second run of the new combo.  Hadn't quite figured out the launch rpm...or remembered how to shift a brand new tko.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/th_IMG_1037_zpsc0cb9c7e.jpg) (http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/moonenn3186/IMG_1037_zpsc0cb9c7e.mp4)

That was quite the hop on the launch.

Did you piss yourself a little?  lol


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 09, 2013, 04:34:07 pm


That was quite the hop on the launch.

Did you piss yourself a little?  lol

Not quite.  The third run, which was not on video, was actually a pretty good launch.  It was a 1.49 60', but "supposedly" had the front wheels up to just about the 60' mark - according to my buddy taking the videos. Of course that video didn't turn out because his memory card was full.  So, I offer no proof - other than I can say that launch felt really, really good.  I had left the line at 5500 rpm....and missed 2nd gear.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on October 09, 2013, 04:43:01 pm
 I had left the line at 5500 rpm....and missed 2nd gear.


Are you SURE about not getting an automatic?      :sofa:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: garsten on October 09, 2013, 04:53:19 pm
No.  Bunch of teenage girls racing that night...they all had automatics.

hopefully the girls shifted their autos worse than you did the manual.

cheers, claude


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 09, 2013, 05:01:18 pm
 :duh

 :party


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on October 09, 2013, 05:06:27 pm
Short shifting.... Not double clutching like you should.....
Just take it easy on that tranny would you please.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 09, 2013, 05:17:53 pm
Short shifting.... Not double clutching like you should.....
Just take it easy on that tranny would you please.

She is still 100%.. so is the clutch.  I took it for a cruise yesterday, shifts like butter!  It'll be out and ready to deliver this next week. . .


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 09, 2013, 08:20:44 pm
No.  Bunch of teenage girls racing that night...they all had automatics.

I ran into some old street racing buddies at shakedown. on of them was telling me he built a beatup roadmaster wagon for his daughter- cheap $110 corvette converter, dual exhaust with cheap quiet mufflers and a 100shot. he said it was going 8.20's with 4 teenage girls in the car and they were making some men feel pretty stupid  :orglaugh car was a complete shitpile from what he said


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on October 12, 2013, 07:08:28 pm
I've been at that track. I think that guy on the Hyabusa was Dennis, met him when I was there.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 14, 2013, 12:00:25 pm
I've been at that track. I think that guy on the Hyabusa was Dennis, met him when I was there.

Mustangcentral dennis?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: David Claflin on October 14, 2013, 03:00:56 pm
I've been at that track. I think that guy on the Hyabusa was Dennis, met him when I was there.

Mustangcentral dennis?
Yeah, don't recall his last name, they said it in the clip, but not sure if it's him or not.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 26, 2013, 04:27:32 pm
WINTER CHANGES:

Faceplated TKO 600 to replace the standard TKO in the car right now.
Clean up the wiring I more or less spliced together to get the car running/trouble shooting...

I am also contemplating moving to the new Accufab 6500 Throttle body.  Just not sure if the cost outlay will justify the expense involved.  The throttle bodies themselves aren't to bad, at under $800.00.... but then I need a spacer/adapter for the 4150 to 4500 flange, plus lots of intake work modifing the plenum, a new throttle bracket and a new 4500 size blowthrough bonnet....  Probably about  $2000.00 outlay by the time I am done...

Wonder how much, if any, I would gain at this level...  :question:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 27, 2013, 01:42:15 am
WINTER CHANGES:

Faceplated TKO 600 to replace the standard TKO in the car right now.
Clean up the wiring I more or less spliced together to get the car running/trouble shooting...

I am also contemplating moving to the new Accufab 6500 Throttle body.  Just not sure if the cost outlay will justify the expense involved.  The throttle bodies themselves aren't to bad, at under $800.00.... but then I need a spacer/adapter for the 4150 to 4500 flange, plus lots of intake work modifing the plenum, a new throttle bracket and a new 4500 size blowthrough bonnet....  Probably about  $2000.00 outlay by the time I am done...

Wonder how much, if any, I would gain at this level...  :question:



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on October 29, 2013, 06:21:50 pm
Just got caught up on this Nathan.  That launch looked awesome.  Looks like you'll have your hands full very soon.  I look forward to the videos.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: HIGHVOLTJ on October 30, 2013, 06:48:42 pm
WINTER CHANGES:

Faceplated TKO 600 to replace the standard TKO in the car right now.
Clean up the wiring I more or less spliced together to get the car running/trouble shooting...

I am also contemplating moving to the new Accufab 6500 Throttle body.  Just not sure if the cost outlay will justify the expense involved.  The throttle bodies themselves aren't to bad, at under $800.00.... but then I need a spacer/adapter for the 4150 to 4500 flange, plus lots of intake work modifing the plenum, a new throttle bracket and a new 4500 size blowthrough bonnet....  Probably about  $2000.00 outlay by the time I am done...

Wonder how much, if any, I would gain at this level...  :question:

How has your wife not murdered you in your sleep yet?

You change your mind more than me! LOL


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on October 30, 2013, 07:10:01 pm
WINTER CHANGES:

Faceplated TKO 600 to replace the standard TKO in the car right now.
Clean up the wiring I more or less spliced together to get the car running/trouble shooting...

I am also contemplating moving to the new Accufab 6500 Throttle body.  Just not sure if the cost outlay will justify the expense involved.  The throttle bodies themselves aren't to bad, at under $800.00.... but then I need a spacer/adapter for the 4150 to 4500 flange, plus lots of intake work modifing the plenum, a new throttle bracket and a new 4500 size blowthrough bonnet....  Probably about  $2000.00 outlay by the time I am done...

Wonder how much, if any, I would gain at this level...  :question:

How has your wife not murdered you in your sleep yet?

You change your mind more than me! LOL

 :spit:  A couple posts back I quoted him and was going to write a smart arsed post before I hit the hay.  Apparently I forgot to make my "lawyer money must be nice" comment.  :duh


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: woody on October 30, 2013, 07:25:09 pm
Dudes a lawyer, he got big cheese. Changing parts aint shit. Fool is LOADED

 :Gluck:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 31, 2013, 07:20:03 am
 :pimp

Honkey please....!

How am I changing my mind? Its like switching to a bigger carb...combo is still the same.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 31, 2013, 08:19:36 am
I would have the intake milled down and a 4500flange welded on and ported

on a side note my plenum is larger than 4150 by maybe 1/2" by 1/2" I just had the elbow off doing a little more porting Im surprised how much it picked up Im actually going to pull it back offand work it some more. theres no doubt in my mind that my combo with efi would absolutely love a dominator


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on October 31, 2013, 10:09:31 pm
call me crazy but I think you might be better off with a 4500 intake and a wilson 4500 elbow


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on October 31, 2013, 10:45:02 pm
call me crazy but I think you might be better off with a 4500 intake and a wilson 4500 elbow

Crazy.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 01, 2013, 09:44:26 am
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=554899


why arent any of these guys doing it? same reasons

this something Ive put alot of though into the last few days


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 01, 2013, 09:54:08 am
http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/products/throttle-body-elbows-/billet-elbows---square-tb-flange/4500-billet-elbows-square-tb-flange.html

I didnt realize how pricy it is but that thing is seriously the best out there the more I look at them


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on November 01, 2013, 10:01:22 am
Ouch, you (speaking in general) can drop $1500 on just the T-body and elbow.  I think I may have the wrong hobby.   Probably cheaper to become a cocaine addict.  :orglaugh  


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 01, 2013, 10:14:51 am
Contrary to popular belief...I doubt I will ever drop that kind of coin on a hobby car. I like looking at what others are doing, and think custom intakes etc are "uber cool".... But I need to also be realistic.

My Holley setup is designed for GM sensors and a 4v throttle body. It simply wouldn't be worth the time money and effort to go changing it. This setup (finally) works really well...I just think I could benefit from a larger throttle body and intake plenum. I can port my existing plenum and run an adaptor with an off the shelf 4500 TB that is reasonably priced, I will do that.  Otherwise I will just stick with what I have and try to make the most out of it.  Its not like I am hurting for power here ...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 01, 2013, 10:54:06 am
I can dig the 4150 on a 4500

in an na sd app the 4bbl tb would be awesome


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: garsten on November 01, 2013, 11:13:42 am
i'm surprised you haven't gotten to the point where you might enjoy driving the car more than working on it?

my truck has been torn up since January and i'm ready to be done.

cheers, claude


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 01, 2013, 11:19:20 am
i'm surprised you haven't gotten to the point where you might enjoy driving the car more than working on it?

my truck has been torn up since January and i'm ready to be done.

cheers, claude
It's winter up here... Just kicking around ideas to keep me involved in the car over the winter. Cold outside...but warm in the garage.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on November 01, 2013, 02:50:16 pm
Ouch, you (speaking in general) can drop $1500 on just the T-body and elbow.  I think I may have the wrong hobby.   Probably cheaper to become a cocaine addict.  :orglaugh  


Just think how much money a good carb will save you -- both the material and the cost of the tune set-up?


      :sofa:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 02, 2013, 06:38:06 pm
GOOD carb stuff aint much cheaper  :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 06, 2013, 09:56:34 am
interesting notes to tb flow
90mm accufab 1369cfm
4150 accufab 1215cfm
4500 accufab 2128cfm


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on November 06, 2013, 11:47:14 am
interesting notes to tb flow
90mm accufab 1369cfm
4150 accufab 1215cfm
4500 accufab 2128cfm

So comparing the 90 to the 4150 the 90 is the winner when it comes to flow, but isn't the 4150 supposed to be more streetable?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 06, 2013, 11:52:17 am
I would say the 4150 is better if you dont have to make a turn

why wouldnt the 90 be streetable?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: garsten on November 06, 2013, 12:02:02 pm
GOOD carb stuff aint much cheaper  :dunno

new braswell carb...approx $1250...when i spoke with them about 5 years ago.

cheers, claude


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on November 06, 2013, 12:11:14 pm
why wouldnt the 90 be streetable?

Didn't say it wasn't, but I thought I had heard the 4150 is easier on the street.  I thought it was because you can have two of the venturis open later than the other two.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 06, 2013, 04:08:22 pm
easier how? the 90 is fine. Id like to try a 105


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on November 08, 2013, 11:18:27 am
I hear of a 6500 and 8500 also


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on November 08, 2013, 11:22:56 am
I hear of a 6500 and 8500 also
I know of the 6500 and if I buy new, that is the piece I will get.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: wywindsor on January 13, 2014, 11:53:39 pm
Pics, Please. On another note just add a  pound of boost and see what see doe's. I think you could be over thinking the whole intake thing.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 16, 2014, 04:17:29 pm
Pics, Please. On another note just add a  pound of boost and see what see doe's. I think you could be over thinking the whole intake thing.

As soon as 1fastcat gets done polishing the junk, I will get some photos.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on January 16, 2014, 04:47:53 pm
As soon as 1fastcat gets done polishing the junk, I will get some photos.

 :wtf:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 16, 2014, 05:09:13 pm
As soon as 1fastcat gets done polishing the junk, I will get some photos.

 :wtf:
:spit:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on January 16, 2014, 05:22:19 pm
As soon as 1fastcat gets done polishing the junk, I will get some photos.

 :wtf:


That had me stumped, too!!!


I thought that in the Industry generally-speaking the video is being taken DURING and not AFTER ...      :dunno


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: Its1FastCat on January 16, 2014, 10:54:03 pm
I polish most aluminum parts.

Looks like you guys need another special Friday post.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 17, 2014, 01:53:15 am
As soon as 1fastcat gets done polishing the junk, I will get some photos.

 :wtf:

 :spit:  That's what you call friends with benefits.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 26, 2014, 12:08:10 pm
Well, its running and driving good (other than a minor running hot issue after while that I can't seem to find the cause of). Putting down more power than it should at 13 psi.

Guess its time to tear it all apart  ;D



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on July 26, 2014, 09:50:42 pm
Lol, glad you're getting to enjoy it.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on July 27, 2014, 01:56:43 am
Well, its running and driving good (other than a minor running hot issue after while that I can't seem to find the cause of). Putting down more power than it should at 13 psi.

Guess its time to tear it all apart   ;D



 :spit: 

Glad you're enjoying it.  :burnout


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 31, 2014, 01:09:19 pm
On a tip from its1fastcat.... I pulled 2 degrees timing from across the board and now its running right as rain!  Nice and cool... feels like it added 50 horse.

Fun story.  Took it to a cruise in at an old A&W Root Beer drive in last night about 50 miles away.  I had my son with me who is just getting into cars...  

The car wears good and soft drag radials when I street drive it.  

 I had a guy, with a tunnel ram sticking out of the hood of a mid 80s Firebird, try a drive by on me on the way home.  Since we were just getting on the highway I was in third gear already about 3200 rpm when he made his move.  So I put my foot down.  

3rd gear with drag radials mind you and the pavement is still warm.  

The tires just spun and we went sideways so hard I thought I was gonna lose it.  

I almost pissed myself - mainly because I had my kid in the car.  

But... I have got to get this to a track soon.  If this isn't a 9 sec capable car, I don't know what is...



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on July 31, 2014, 03:00:19 pm
If this isn't a 9 sec capable car, I don't know what is...

I thought we already discussed this.

Its still only a 12 second car. Its just going to run 12s at like,... 150 MPH.   :hide1:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 31, 2014, 03:13:12 pm
If this isn't a 9 sec capable car, I don't know what is...

I thought we already discussed this.

Its still only a 12 second car. Its just going to run 12s at like,... 150 MPH.   :hide1:
:spit:

Notice I used the words capable car... I said nothing of the driver.  ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on July 31, 2014, 03:53:15 pm
Notice I used the words capable car... I said nothing of the driver.  ;)

Let's not talk about driver capabilities. If that's the case, my car should probably run 9s... in the 1/8.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 12, 2014, 11:37:55 am
Buying a new project and frankly, I don't have time for even one, let alone two... so I am going to sell this ride.

Don't even know what I will be asking for it... if anyone has any insight on its possible value - feel free to chime in.

It runs and drives very well.
It looks pretty good also.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 12, 2014, 01:54:01 pm
Somebody is going to end up with one heck of a four eyed convertible.  I've followed this build from the beginning and am totally impressed by what you've accomplished.  Sure wasn't an easy road but you stuck with it and did it right.  The vast majority of people have no clue how difficult it is to do a build like this.

Just think, the new owner might actually get it to the track!  ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on September 14, 2014, 02:03:37 pm
Just think, the new owner might actually get it to the track!  ;D
:orglaugh

What's the new project MM?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 14, 2014, 10:08:54 pm
I am going to the track in 2 weeks. It's running very well.

New project will be a 69-72 Lincoln Continental Mark III ... probably on air suspension. Thinking new Kasse Boss stuff. Not quite sure...



Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on September 14, 2014, 10:50:42 pm
New project will be a 69-72 Lincoln Continental Mark III

At least I'm not the only person who wants one. A couple years ago, a friend of mine picked up a 40K mile 71' for almost nothing. His uncle had died, and all his family knew was that it was a 70s Lincoln that had been in the garage for years. I could live without the mint green and late 80s aluminum wheels, but the car is in great shape.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 15, 2014, 08:07:22 am
I am heading south this week to look at a black 70. Looks very nice in photos. Been in storage since 1985. They got it running and driving. Under 50k miles.....$6000


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 15, 2014, 10:10:34 am
I am going to the track in 2 weeks. It's running very well.

New project will be a 69-72 Lincoln Continental Mark III ... probably on air suspension. Thinking new Kasse Boss stuff. Not quite sure...




FINALLY something that is heavier than the Merc!!!      ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 15, 2014, 01:02:23 pm
Dax Shepard's '67 Continental is pretty sweet.  Completely changed my perspective of the older 60's and early 70's Lincolns.  Should make for one cool project.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 15, 2014, 02:23:04 pm
That is the car that gave me the idea awhile back.  I have always had a penchant for the Lincoln Mark series cars and love the look of the 69-71 Mark III's.  I emailed Ride Tech to see about offering a bolt in suspension system for one.  They currently offer a kit for the regular Continental - and I wonder how much difference there would be...

I also looked at Boss 9 stuff.  Holy shite that stuff is pricey... I may HAVE to sell this car to pay for it (I was of half the mind to just keep it and store it for awhile).


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: eckertd on September 15, 2014, 03:21:23 pm

I also looked at Boss 9 stuff.  Holy shite that stuff is pricey... I may HAVE to sell this car to pay for it (I was of half the mind to just keep it and store it for awhile).


Pricey, indeed, but the Boss 9 with stack injection would be like driving a Picaso   :drool:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: the_honda_guy on September 15, 2014, 05:12:37 pm
I can't imagine you being without Toby Nate...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on September 15, 2014, 05:27:53 pm
Dax Shepard's '67 Continental is pretty sweet.  Completely changed my perspective of the older 60's and early 70's Lincolns.  Should make for one cool project.

X2! Dax's ride is awesome!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 16, 2014, 11:35:06 am
That is the car that gave me the idea awhile back.  I have always had a penchant for the Lincoln Mark series cars and love the look of the 69-71 Mark III's.  I emailed Ride Tech to see about offering a bolt in suspension system for one.  They currently offer a kit for the regular Continental - and I wonder how much difference there would be...

I also looked at Boss 9 stuff.  Holy shite that stuff is pricey... I may HAVE to sell this car to pay for it (I was of half the mind to just keep it and store it for awhile).

I believe I would also prefer a two door 69-70 Mark III for the kind of build I believe you have planned.  A Kaase Boss 9 would blow people's mind when you popped the hood! :jawdrop:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on September 16, 2014, 05:47:08 pm
Ok, those cars definitely have a cool factor, but I'm still surprised you would replace your vert with one.

Are you planning to cruise it or race it?

Found this one:  https://www.leakecar.com/auctionresults/69/previous-results/79/tulsa--37th-annual-leake-auto-auction/1136/1969-lincoln-mark-iii-custom?action=itemdetail (https://www.leakecar.com/auctionresults/69/previous-results/79/tulsa--37th-annual-leake-auto-auction/1136/1969-lincoln-mark-iii-custom?action=itemdetail)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on September 16, 2014, 09:52:38 pm
Cruise it. I now have 4 kids (hot wife...cold winter nights).  Having a car I can put the whole family in and cruise makes more sense than me disappearing for a weekend to a place my wife loathes and is too loud for little kids.

Chances are I will just pull the drive train of the vert and sell that. Keep the car I have had for nearly 20 years.  All depends on funds...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 17, 2014, 12:34:51 am
Cruise it with 700 hp on tap.  ;)


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on September 17, 2014, 10:13:09 am
Cruise it with 1700 hp on tap.  ;)


Fixed it for you, Nate!


After seeing Woody's friend do a 4.80 eighth-mile run that car jet has me drooling!!! ;D


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: the_honda_guy on September 17, 2014, 12:42:18 pm
Cruise it. I now have 4 kids (hot wife...cold winter nights).  Having a car I can put the whole family in and cruise makes more sense than me disappearing for a weekend to a place my wife loathes and is too loud for little kids.

Chances are I will just pull the drive train of the vert and sell that. Keep the car I have had for nearly 20 years.  All depends on funds...

Wow, you've been busy Nate! Last time I was around you only had Max and Charlotte. I know what you mean though about the kids and being able to take them places too. I'm Mr. Mom on the weekends which means the purple car stays away from the track. The kids just aren't old enough to be taking them somewhere I have to keep a close eye on them. As far as Toby goes I just couldn't imagine you selling it since you've had him for so long. I'd be interested in taking it from you if I didn't already have the purple car.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on September 17, 2014, 12:59:41 pm
Chances are I will just pull the drive train of the vert and sell that. Keep the car I have had for nearly 20 years.  All depends on funds...

I think this is an excellent idea.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jayh on September 17, 2014, 01:05:02 pm
from a very yound age I always like the 64 with suicide doors in the back


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on December 23, 2014, 08:45:47 am
Well, its running and driving good...

Guess its time to tear it all apart  ;D


349 is out. 410 High Port combo going in. Super Vic intake is being modified to allow a Dominator size throttle body and then it is off to Duane Busch for an all out race port.


Stay tuned...


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on December 23, 2014, 11:39:59 am
You sure don't mess around Nathan.  You're always up to something cool.  This should be more fun and less learning curve than the previous engine combo.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on December 23, 2014, 03:02:18 pm
You sure don't mess around Nathan.  You're always up to something cool.  This should be more fun and less learning curve than the previous engine combo.
My current tune should be kinda close already. It should be a bolt in a go deal... but that remains to be seen.

Here is a shot of the intake in the process of being modified.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on December 29, 2014, 06:47:58 pm
The 4500 flange is welded on. It's off to Duane Busch for porting this week.

I also decided to send him the High Ports for a full tilt port job. They should be in the 240 cc range with a 2.125 valve.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on December 31, 2014, 07:25:42 pm
Hey there Mm...still looks like this car is always changing/evolving...Cool.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 10, 2015, 12:27:51 pm
The intake porting has begun.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 13, 2015, 05:34:04 pm
Slight difference in snail size


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 15, 2015, 12:40:01 am
My goodness!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 69 Merc on January 15, 2015, 09:40:02 am
Slight difference in snail size


Decisions, decisions!  That is what I call quality "problems" ...      :whistling:


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: liljoe07 on January 15, 2015, 01:06:25 pm
What size is the larger turbo?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 15, 2015, 01:18:23 pm
It's a V24 X Trim Vortech. ..cog drive. Should make around 25 psi at 7k ish


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 15, 2015, 01:21:34 pm
I may need to go to an engine plate. When I took the 349/Novi combo out I noticed that the torque of the old combo literally deformed the solid motor mounts that were on the car.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on January 15, 2015, 04:55:59 pm
I may need to go to an engine plate. When I took the 349/Novi combo out I noticed that the torque of the old combo literally deformed the solid motor mounts that were on the car.

Don't you use the old HPM mounts? The flat plate type, similar to the ones that Team Z sells.

http://www.teamzmotorsports.net/product_p/tzm-mounts.htm

These are what I run. They are triangulated and welded, instead of just bent.

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/Solid-Motor-Mounts-1979-95-Mustang-P930.aspx


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 15, 2015, 08:13:07 pm
My old mounts are very similar to the ones you have linked from MM.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: wywindsor on January 15, 2015, 11:04:14 pm
Where do you think your cars limit is at. You can build all the power in the world and still not use it. You bent the motor mounts, which tells me you will need to upgrade motor mounts and possibly upgrade to motor plates. What are the goals? I think your last combo had more in it.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 16, 2015, 12:19:37 am
Wouldn't a plate be better all around?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on January 16, 2015, 12:42:10 am
Wouldn't a plate be better all around?

I was thinking more about all the trouble that it would cause with the blower and accessory mounting.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 16, 2015, 08:38:13 am
I don't think the car itself has any limit.  The joy in cars for me is really building different combos and tuning them. I had the 349/Novi combo working very very well. This new build is just that...something different.

As far as the motor plate...that is the way I am leaning,  but am unsure what to do. I brought the x trim because it was a possibility that I will run it. I am not positive,  at least right now, that I will even stay with this 410 or with forced induction. I have lots and lots of parts right now...I am currently weighing all my options.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 16, 2015, 09:27:55 am
These high ports will end up close to 250 cc intake runner. The manifold ported and modified for a dominator TB.  The transmission is currently a faceplated TKO600.  I have a 4.155 bore Iron Eagle block.

I haven't built a high winding n/a combo in a long time...

long winters are not good for me.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 347HO on January 16, 2015, 08:10:29 pm
Sounds like a really nice "winter" project.
I'm always interested in small cube, big rpm engines and N/A.
All that much better/fun with boost I'm sure.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 25, 2015, 09:59:18 pm
Some intake and head progress photos.

You can really see the port size difference from the Bennet cnc port to the new 240 ish port in the third photo.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on January 27, 2015, 11:15:16 am
That is quite a difference!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on January 27, 2015, 02:34:47 pm
Yeah... I am pretty excited!


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on March 07, 2015, 01:02:18 pm
349 is out. 410 High Port combo going in. Super Vic intake is being modified to allow a Dominator size throttle body and then it is off to Duane Busch for an all out race port.


Stay tuned...

Sounds great.  I'm planning a similar top end on a 347.  Your intake will be nice when it's done. 

Are we going to see flow numbers for those heads?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 07, 2015, 02:13:28 pm
Yes. Should have them back next week with flow numbers.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on March 12, 2015, 06:58:26 pm
Intake


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 21, 2016, 04:15:46 pm
Thought I would update this....

On the dyno we had a bunch of issues with idling and getting engine to climb past 4800rpm. We thought it was noise from ignition box. So I switched to coil on plug. When wiring that in I noticed my injector harness was mis-wired from Holley. Pretty sure that is where most of my issues were coming from.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: RunninHorse on July 21, 2016, 04:39:31 pm
That is a shitty way to find a problem, but man it looks kick ass now.  Eliminating the dizzy is part of going coil on plug?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 21, 2016, 04:43:55 pm
Yes. I grabbed a Ford replacement for an explorer cam sync. Then I bought an aftermarket cam sync for a 3.8 Ford and swapped shafts for it to work with a 351w oil pump shaft.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: z-adamson on July 21, 2016, 04:44:04 pm
So you switched to coil on plug because your fuel injector harness was wired improperly?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on July 21, 2016, 04:52:04 pm
So you switched to coil on plug because your fuel injector harness was wired improperly?

He switched to COP to eliminate the possibility of feedback noise from his aftermarket ignition box. During the COP conversion, he found the issues with the injector harness.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: juiced coupe on July 21, 2016, 04:55:53 pm
So I switched to coil on plug.

Was you still using the Mallory 685? If so, I  wish I had known. I just bought a three step and timing controller.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 21, 2016, 05:00:49 pm
So I switched to coil on plug.

Was you still using the Mallory 685? If so, I  wish I had known. I just bought a three step and timing ctontroller.

Yep. It's now in my left over parts box. I switched to a MSD 7 box to see if that helped before the COP conversion . It didn't help even with shielded wire...that's when I knew something else was up.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on July 21, 2016, 05:04:48 pm
Woody and I ended up with 445cid small block. Had a nitrous cam ground. It's mated to a modified T56 Magnum with dual clutch. It's got some boogie to it..even when it would fall on its face at 4800. Timing and fuel maps were all over the place.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: 289nate on August 02, 2016, 04:19:23 pm
Glad to hear you got it sorted out.  Are you going back to the dyno?


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: mighty mouse on August 02, 2016, 04:26:49 pm
Glad to hear you got it sorted out.  Are you going back to the dyno?

For sure. Tuning an E85 car with a cam this large is not a picnic. I think I have the idle and hot start issues sorted now and it runs and drives well enough to strap it back down. I am used to tuning on the track...but with computers it seems way easier to do it on a dyno.


Title: Re: 1986 Mustang GT Convertible
Post by: jtmustang on October 12, 2016, 03:51:33 am
Hey MM , so how's the car? I'm behind the times so no more turnover vert? Or ?

Always enjoyed following your projects