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« on: March 05, 2010, 07:11:32 pm »

Hey guys,

I'm going to be honest here and let you know right from the start, I don't know SH*T about big blocks.... always thought they were awesome with great potential but never really god technical with them.

So last week I started doing some reading about big blocks and it got my head spinning with excitement. I'm HOPEFULLY picking up a 87 Notch roller next week some time that I might want to attempt to do a BB swap in.

I found a motor for sale online and was just wondering if anyone can give me some info on. Its a 460 out of a '85 f350 with 75k miles on it and runs great (the guy is pulling it out of the truck by the weekend) Comes with factory 4-barrel, dist. and p/s pump. Hes asking $200 dollars for the complete motor. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me, I did some research on the block and it seems that the price is fair.

I was wondering though if someone could give me a brief run down on BB's (if anyones interested) and maybe some info on this motor (what heads came equipt on it, etc.).  I would appreciate any help that I can get from you guys, I know theres tons of knowledgeable people on here.

Thanks again,

Dan B.
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 07:32:16 pm »

I dunno about the heads/cam for that particular year but I don't think they're anything special.

Output was 225hp and 385 ft lbs.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 08:12:33 pm »

http://www.460ford.com/
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010, 10:59:37 am »

Big Block Fords can be pretty awesome.  Make a ton of power for little dough.

But...

They can also take crazy money...

What are your goals here?

I have been thinking of selling some ported D0VE 460 heads with Super Cobra Jet valvetrain and have done some research on these.

The heads etc that came on the mid 70's through the final years of the Lima engine are JUNK JUNK JUNK.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010, 12:01:38 pm »

Yea I didn't expect the factory heads to be anything special, definitely plan on a swap.

As for goals, I'm pretty open. I COMPLETELY understand that its a BB and its not going to be that streetable BUT I would prefer to keep it as streetable as possible. Its a car that'll see the track maybe a few times a yr on nice days, besides that... shes a street car (or should I just say a car that gets driven on the street? lol).  I'm thinking maybe 600hp, nothing too crazy. I'm figuring I could do that fairly easily (w/ h/c/i and a rebuilt bottom end... possibly stroked?)

As for the head comment, thank you. Thats the kind of info I'm looking for. Just simple things I should start learning.

Also, hows the price for that motor seem? Too high? fair?

ALSO, possible to keep PS, AC, etc.? What about the master cylinder? I would really choose not to run manual brakes if I don't have too. Possible to relocate?

Thanks guys!  
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 12:10:26 pm »

Price of the engine seems ok, i guess.

You can probably get 600 ponies with D0VE heads (best stockers) and a good valvetrain and intake.

Alum heads are but loads lighter though...

Get a BIG header.

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 12:13:29 pm »

Well thats good to know.

Aluminum heads will most certainly be used on this motor.... no questions asked.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2010, 01:45:06 pm »

$200 for a good running big block?

that sounds like a screaming deal to me? 
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 01:51:14 pm »

Thats what I figured. I just compare it to SB's. I would pay $200 bucks for a running 302 w/ 75k on it, why not a BB which is 10x's harder to find.
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2010, 01:04:14 am »

possible to keep PS, AC, etc.? What about the master cylinder? I would really choose not to run manual brakes if I don't have too. Possible to relocate?
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2010, 01:16:28 am »

Dove heads are by far the best factory heads for what they can produce  i have seen the do8e/7's be pretty decent,but are open chamber...i bought my 460 in pieces for 200 bucks so yeah you made out imho.

i was going to do a 545 stroker..but you will need a trickflow A460 head which requires there intake as well....with said parts 800-900hp without breaking a sweat.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2010, 12:19:48 pm »

For what you are wanting to do the I would choose the Cobra Jet or the Trickflow Street head.  Both will do what you are wanting and won't break the bank....

The Victor intake or the Trickflow street intake would be my choice.  I would top it with a decent carb and as was said large headers with free flowing exhaust.

600 can be had relatively easy and will still be streetable.


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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2010, 02:42:51 pm »



 

ALSO, possible to keep PS, AC, etc.? What about the master cylinder? I would really choose not to run manual brakes if I don't have too. Possible to relocate?

Thanks guys!  

You can always run an electric vacuum pump for badass power brakes.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2010, 11:18:50 pm »

Or a belt driven vacuum pump for the brakes and AC,
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 08:24:40 pm »

You could also consider a hydraulic brake booster/master cylinder setup like those found on a diesel pickup that runs off the power steering pump.  I've got one on my 2000 F250 powerstroke.  GM used them on some diesel luxury cars in the '80's.  A friend had one on a Toronado.
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