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« on: May 24, 2009, 04:06:25 pm »

COMBO INFORMATION
Provided by:  BirdMan

01. Block:
•Brand: Dart Sportsman 9.5
•Displacement: 412
•CR: 14:1
•Bore/Stroke/Rod Length: 4.125/3.850/6.300”
02. Heads:
•Brand: Edelbrock
•Model: Victor 7721 w/240 cc 47cc chambers (will measure when finished with heads)
•Valves: Titanium Intake 5/16x2.160x5.650, Titanium Exhaust 5/16x1.620x5.650”
•Ported: Yes - by me using SF110 and followup testing on SF600
•Flow Int./Exh.: 340-350 through Intake Manifold/exh - don't remember, will post later
•Rocker Arms: Crane Sportsman Shaft Rockers 1.6 ratio
•Pushrods:  Manton taper 3/8x7/16x9.050x.120 wall”
03. Camshaft:
•Brand: Bullet SR Special by John Partridge
•Grind Number/Model: FW304/312-10R
•Int./Exh. Duration @.050: 272/280
•Int./Exh. Advertised Duration @.020:  304/312
•Int./Exh. Lift: .680/.688" @1.6 ratio
•Lobe Separation Angle:  110*
04. Induction:
•Carbureted/EFI: carb
•Intake: Edelbrock 9.5 SV Glidden
•Carb/Injector Size: ProSystems 1100 Dominator
06. Exhaust:
•Style: Homebuilt Longtube headers using PipeMax
•Diameter:  1.875/2.00/2.125x3.500” Collector
•Mufflers: ?? at this time
08. Transmission:
•Manual/Auto: Automatic w/trans. brake & reverse manual valve body/Cheetah shifter
•Model: C4 by PerformanceAutomatic
•Flexplate: ?? at this time will be sfi for NHRA S/St competition
•Driveshaft: 3” chromemoly .080 wall
•Converter Stall: 8” bolt together (5000 rpm on transbrake w/351C) by Richard Doherty
09. Gears:
•Style: 9"
•Ratio: 4.56 or currently has 4.88
•Differential Style: M/W 35spline Spool
10.Rear Suspension Setup: Stock 4 leaf, Alston 32” ladder bars, Koni variable adjustable shocks
11.Front Suspension Setup: Stock arms, softer springs, Koni variable adjustable shocks, limited travel
12. Tires: M/T 10.5Wx15 Slicks, M/T 25x4 Front Runners w/ Weld Star Wheels
13. Car Weight:  3250# w/driver w/351C
14. Elapsed Time/Speed: Engine not built/tested yet


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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2009, 04:28:51 pm »

good looking car.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2009, 05:13:30 pm »

As far as I am concerned this is not a project under construction as chassis is proven and only changing engine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2009, 05:19:23 pm »

As far as I am concerned this is not a project under construction as chassis is proven and only changing engine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Looks like a work in progress to me

Your combo will get more views here anyways. When its running and you have some numbers you can put it in the proven combo section.

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2009, 05:46:40 pm »

Good luck - that outta be mighty quick!
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The Merc started here = http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html  Now = http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html

Thanks to Jim "Woody" and Nicole Woods @ FordStrokers 408W, Westminster Performance Transmission (W.P.T.) transmissions, TCS Performance converters, Broader Performance valvebodies and last but not least a BIG thanks (always) to my friends here and abroad in the World!
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2009, 09:05:53 pm »

I have always wanted to build up an old falcon.  Looks real nice.  Be sure to post up some time slips when you get it dialed in.
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 04:22:50 am »

The heads are about finished and will flow them later today on the SF600 checking for choke.  If everything is okay I will assemble them and assemble the short block.  I need to clean/deburr the timing cover as it looks like crap and make my breather tube that is attaching to the fuel pump boss.  Then assemble the whole engine and see what needs to be done in the engine compartment which has had a 351C in for 30 years.  We modified the shock towers then and hopefully will not need to make more modifications for headers.  We are leaning towards motorplate style mounts and using the stock mounts for mocking up the other mounts and then may remove all remnants of stock mount stubs.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 09:53:57 am »

Photos!!!   
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The Merc started here = http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,27178.0.html  Now = http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,34648.0.html

Thanks to Jim "Woody" and Nicole Woods @ FordStrokers 408W, Westminster Performance Transmission (W.P.T.) transmissions, TCS Performance converters, Broader Performance valvebodies and last but not least a BIG thanks (always) to my friends here and abroad in the World!
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 12:32:28 am »

Nice Ride, its nice to see someone doing something other than mustangs....And I love mustangs. Thats why my plates read                   ......               YBLIKEU
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 01:06:20 am »

cooooooooool Falcon!
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 02:42:08 pm »

Nice Falcon! (needs a T-bolt style hood imo)
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2009, 08:46:32 pm »

Nice Falcon Birdman!!!!!  How big are the tubs?  Do you have any pics of the rear suspention you might share.  what size tires?  sorry for all the questions, but I am doing a 65 HT with a 347 and a G-force 5 speed and am always interested in what others have sone to hok up with the old birds.  Thanks, Ben
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2009, 10:53:28 am »

The picture is my son and his car which has smaller width tubs than my car ('65 Falcon HT) and the largest width/diameter he can accomodate is 11.5x29.5, currently 10" rims 10.5Wx29.5 x15 M/T's.  Mine is wider and have use 13x31x15 M/T's.  Both have rear springs moved inside of frame stubs and rear frame rail is cut just behind shock crossmember and side switched so that stock curve makes rear spring swing mount in line with front mount.  I have done this on 5 or 6 cars and works great and you can still use stock shock mounting position as all still do.  We both have 32" ladder bars, rear spring sliders and pivots and can raise/lower rear of car 5" or so.  My car sits lower than sons car does.  I have run with 4 and 5 speeds also.  Last clutch was the McLeod low pressure adjustable one with solid metalic disc and 30# or so steel flywheel.  I had micro switches mounted on shifter (activated by paddle that contacted switches in forward/rearward position) that were hooked to a 2 step with a 7600 chip/shifted at 8000 319 c.i. ran 10.60@125 or so.
Have been out of town situating mother in law into a better care center and will be home later this week and able to do any picture taking.  When my car is ready for new 347 can take pictures of it then.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 11:56:05 pm »

Finally about finished with heads and intake after making spacers for between intake and heads to raise intake to align ports.


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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2009, 08:57:25 am »

Nice Falcon, I've had a couple over the years and always liked them. A buddy of mine has a similar engine combo (has stainless steel valves), same weight and rear end gear with a powerglide. He's still working the bugs out of it but best so far in the 1/8 is a 6.30 on the motor, 5.95 with a little shot of nitrous. If you can get it to hook your combo should be better, good luck with it.
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